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Old 16-06-2006, 11:12 PM
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Unhappy 8" f/4 travel truss dob - arrgh not good enough!

I made a wobbly dob base for my truss converted 8" f/4 newt. I'm getting pretty sick of this project. I've been working on it few hours every night this week. End result is a wobbly base that will be useless for observing.

The A frame sides are sturdy and the altitude bearings work very well too. But the vinyl LPs (2 glued together) and aluminium base are way too flexible, making the mount very wobbly.

I'll try again with plywood. I did not want to use wood, because of all the restrictions on bringing plant based stuff into the country.
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Old 17-06-2006, 12:16 AM
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The scope might be abit too heavy for LP's to spin? still a fine piece of work you did Steve.
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Old 17-06-2006, 01:13 AM
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Perhaps a little bit more trussing on the base and an aluminium plate over the LP's will get you over the line?

Interesting design
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Old 17-06-2006, 02:32 AM
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or WD40 on the LP's?
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Old 17-06-2006, 04:19 AM
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Or a lazy susan???

Seriously, Steve, it looks better than I imagined. I reckon you must be very close. What are the bearings made out of?

(Still reckon you could have used a Portaball model.)

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Old 17-06-2006, 08:43 AM
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The bearings are not the issue. They are very nice and smooth. Vinyl bumpers on PVC flange for altitude, and furniture sliders on vinyl LP for azimuth. These work great. It's flex in the base that is the problem. It supports a lot of vibration with little damping.

I tried replacing just the base plate with 20mm plywood. A little better, but the vibrations are still way too much. The vinyl flexes very easily, so that needs to sit on something solid as well.

Portaball would not pack up too well and would need a lot of counterweight to balance, that's why I didn't go that way.

I decided to chuck the whole thing and go all plywood (12mm). This will eliminate the wobble in the base, and using plywood for the sidewalls as well will let me get away from the straight edges, so I'll be able to drop the scope right down and still brace the mount properly. atm the scope is sitting 5-6 high to leave room for the bracing elements.
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Old 17-06-2006, 08:51 AM
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You are a DIY ATM legend Steve !
I have seen a a few "fold up scopes", yours looks very interesting !
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Old 17-06-2006, 09:11 AM
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I forgot to say thank you for all the encouragement, guys. Much appreciated! It gives me motivation to keep at it.
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Old 17-06-2006, 10:34 AM
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a 2.5mm x 300mm aluminium disc would not cost much? local fabricators?
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Old 17-06-2006, 10:49 AM
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pretty sweet loking diy truss steve! congrats!

you going to do a write-up on how you did it for the site?
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Old 17-06-2006, 10:54 AM
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pretty sweet loking diy truss steve! congrats!

you going to do a write-up on how you did it for the site?
I guess you don't like reading posts David, just looking at photos.
In a nutshell: The mount is a dud.
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Old 17-06-2006, 11:06 AM
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Hi Steve, my compliments on a job well done.

I'm thinking thin high tensile strength wires/cables & small turn buckles to tension the frame up to stop the vibes, but looking at the overall design I'm not sure where these could be placed to work effectively.
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Old 17-06-2006, 11:25 AM
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Hi janoskiss,
I've made quite a few mounts for my scopes..EQ's and Alt-az..more duds than goodies..and it is a learning experience..at first you don't succeed..etc
But at least you tried to build something bold and diffrent!!.so full marks for that!!
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Old 17-06-2006, 11:26 AM
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I guess you don't like reading posts David, just looking at photos.
In a nutshell: The mount is a dud.
i did mean to do it once you have it up and running satisfactorally
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Old 17-06-2006, 11:56 AM
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i did mean to do it once you have it up and running satisfactorally
Sorry about my smartypants comment there...
I don't want to complicate it more with cables, more braces etc. I wanted to keep it simple, so it's fairly quick to disassemble/reassemble. Mark 2 will be all plywood.
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Old 17-06-2006, 12:14 PM
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I wanted to keep it simple, so it's fairly quick to disassemble/reassemble. Mark 2 will be all plywood.
Just to throw another idea your way
I have also contemplated doing this with a base consisting of a number of flat panels secured to each other with dowel pins and spring loaded snap catches.
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Old 18-06-2006, 01:57 AM
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That sounds very sophisticated Geoff. I wouldn't even know where to look for the parts needed.

Anyhoo, plywood + L-bracket idea was a disaster. The execution was anyway. Probably could make it work - if I bought stiffer (thicker) plywood and thought more about how to stiffen the joins between panels too.

So I went back to my Meccano Dob after all. Added plywood to the swivel base, and plywood for ground board. Big difference. Rubber feet in pic had got to go - they are a major source of vibrations. I replaced them with steel bolts - much better. Bigger ground board might be good idea for better AZ stability when near zenith. I'll also add ALT friction control tomorrow. Otherwise it's not looking too bad. Might even get to try it out tomorrow night.
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Old 18-06-2006, 08:45 AM
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Well done Steve!! Looks pretty good
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Old 18-06-2006, 06:31 PM
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Improvise, Adapt, Overcome!

Its looking good Steve. What sort of case are you going to transport it in?

Cheers,
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Old 19-06-2006, 09:27 AM
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Sorry about my smartypants comment there...
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water... ducks back, need i say more?
quite used to your smartypants comments
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