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Old 26-10-2013, 04:36 PM
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Seven Sisters.

Time to visit the sisters again.

Gradually working out how to process them, quite a delicate balancing act.

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8” F/4 astrograph , baader type coma corrector,. HEQ Pro 5 mount, orion mini guider.
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Unmodded Cannon 1100D.

11 x 8 minute subs ISO1600, darks, flats and bias frames applied.
Stacked in Deep Sky Stacker .Processed in Photoshop 7 and Olympus background tool.


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Old 26-10-2013, 04:40 PM
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Nice one Justin. Got some cool neb details. Your spider vanes might need a little squaring.
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Old 26-10-2013, 04:51 PM
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Nice one Justin. Got some cool neb details. Your spider vanes might need a little squaring.
Thanks Marc!

Yep those vanes are a pain in the rear end!!

They twist with the change in temperature, the night before they were fine. I need to make some new ones out spring steel.

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Old 26-10-2013, 05:35 PM
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Thanks Marc!

Yep those vanes are a pain in the rear end!!

They twist with the change in temperature, the night before they were fine. I need to make some new ones out spring steel.

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You just need to re-center your secondary and center it so they're square.
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Old 26-10-2013, 06:18 PM
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You just need to re-center your secondary and center it so they're square.
A little confused??

Can't see how you can centre the secondary when it needs to be off set, especially with an F/4 scope.

It's more twist in the vanes than position, that's my problem.

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Old 26-10-2013, 06:23 PM
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A little confused??

Can't see how you can centre the secondary when it needs to be off set, especially with an F/4 scope.

It's more twist in the vanes than position, that's my problem.

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Twist will make them thicker by not separate. You don't need to offset your secondary that much with the 8" F/4. Your vanes are bent. All four of them.
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Old 26-10-2013, 07:07 PM
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Nice Neb capturing Justin, done very well i think, , Try using a straight edge against your spider veins, like, right accross the front of scope, stand back at arms length, might help see whats going on, or they might just need a tad more tension on them ?
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Old 26-10-2013, 09:10 PM
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Nice job Justin. Fantastic stringy detail in the nebula.
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Old 27-10-2013, 11:12 AM
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Hi Justin,

Nice image, but Marc is right. This is not temperature dependant, the spilt defractions are the result of the spider vanes not being perpendicular. I have an extact for you, see the attached [the reference to the secondary being centred is for the CDK, you need the offset].

How to fix, if you are sure your offset is correct, then you need to make new holes in your front ring, to get the vanes 90 degrees to each other.

Looks great otherwise.

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Old 27-10-2013, 11:25 AM
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Beautiful. One to hang on the wall.
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Old 27-10-2013, 01:26 PM
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Nice one, Justin
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Old 27-10-2013, 01:46 PM
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Beautiful set Justin!

FWIW , just to add to the spider vane discussion, here is the same
effect on one of my shots:
http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/s...50&postcount=1

Definitely caused by non-symmetrical vanes, (2nd shot shows no assymetry)
-same target.
As for spikes in general...I love spikes on Pleiades shots!

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Old 27-10-2013, 03:19 PM
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Interesting shot Justin. Nice work!
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Old 27-10-2013, 04:14 PM
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A great looking Pleiades photo Justin.

Beautiful colour and I like the way you show so much faint detail.

I love the composition.

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Old 27-10-2013, 06:34 PM
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Twist will make them thicker by not separate. You don't need to offset your secondary that much with the 8" F/4. Your vanes are bent. All four of them.
Thanks Marc!

Yep, I take your point.

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Nice Neb capturing Justin, done very well i think, , Try using a straight edge against your spider veins, like, right accross the front of scope, stand back at arms length, might help see whats going on, or they might just need a tad more tension on them ?
Rgrds mate !
Thanks Bob!

Good tip, Ill give it a go.

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Nice job Justin. Fantastic stringy detail in the nebula.
Thanks Rex,

A lot of stuff to process in M45.

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Hi Justin,

Nice image, but Marc is right. This is not temperature dependant, the spilt defractions are the result of the spider vanes not being perpendicular. I have an extact for you, see the attached [the reference to the secondary being centred is for the CDK, you need the offset].

How to fix, if you are sure your offset is correct, then you need to make new holes in your front ring, to get the vanes 90 degrees to each other.

Looks great otherwise.

Steve
Thanks Steve!

Yep your right of course, checked my offset it's 3.2mm which is on the money.
Just need to deal with the vanes.

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Beautiful. One to hang on the wall.
Thanks John!

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Nice one, Justin
Thanks Laurie!

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Beautiful set Justin!

FWIW , just to add to the spider vane discussion, here is the same
effect on one of my shots:
http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/s...50&postcount=1

Definitely caused by non-symmetrical vanes, (2nd shot shows no assymetry)
-same target.
As for spikes in general...I love spikes on Pleiades shots!

Steve
Thanks Steve!

Lot's of good info!

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Interesting shot Justin. Nice work!
Thanks Rob!

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A great looking Pleiades photo Justin.

Beautiful colour and I like the way you show so much faint detail.

I love the composition.

Ross.
Thanks Ross!

Takes a while to tease out every last bit.

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Old 27-10-2013, 11:33 PM
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Good capture there Justin, I too recon M45 needs spikes (even double ones), refractor images of it just don't quite have the same wow factor

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Old 28-10-2013, 09:27 AM
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Nice capture, Justin. Good luck getting the vanes sorted.
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Old 28-10-2013, 10:02 AM
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Nice shot with plenty of detail Justin although the registration is a little off in the top right. In an case this sort of image just shows what's possible with a DSLR these days. Amazing to someone like me brought up in the film days.

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Old 28-10-2013, 09:19 PM
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Good capture there Justin, I too recon M45 needs spikes (even double ones), refractor images of it just don't quite have the same wow factor

Mike
Thanks Mike!

Yep, don't even need to drink heavily to see doubles with this one.

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Nice capture, Justin. Good luck getting the vanes sorted.
Thanks Dave!

Get them sorted one day.

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Nice shot with plenty of detail Justin although the registration is a little off in the top right. In an case this sort of image just shows what's possible with a DSLR these days. Amazing to someone like me brought up in the film days.

Cheers

Steve
Thanks Steve!

I'm pleasantly surprised how much detail that came out.

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Old 29-10-2013, 10:41 AM
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What was the scope Justin? Is it an 8" newtonian or an RC? I assume Newt because you mentioned MPCC? Just asking because I seem to get a wider FOV at the same FL.
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