Go Back   IceInSpace > Equipment > ATM and DIY Projects
Register FAQ Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread
  #1  
Old 16-02-2013, 01:08 PM
LewisM's Avatar
LewisM
Novichok test rabbit

LewisM is offline
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Somewhere in the cosmos...
Posts: 10,389
Canadian Balsam

Trying to restore an OLD doublet - SMALL - that was joined by Canadian Balsam (given the age of the optics). The lenses were spun and press fit into the assembly and CANNOT be removed to clean.

Should Xylene, given enough time, work it's way in through the microscopic gaps etc eventually dissolve the old balsam, leaving me an airspaced doublet? This would be MUCH preferred than the unusably cloudy optics at the moment!!!

I tried heating the balsam over an incandescent bulb, but got it too hot and it browned (previously white crystalline), so literally cooked it. I have been soaking in isopropyl alcohol and acetone, and it IS between the lenses (as I can see a bubble, that moves when I turn the lens), but it seems to be VERY slowly dissolving it. Hoping xylene might accelerate things.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 16-02-2013, 04:04 PM
allan gould's Avatar
allan gould
Registered User

allan gould is offline
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 4,485
so there is a gap between the doublet? Then drill two small holes oposite each other in the assembly an push th acetone isopropyl alcohol mix through it
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 16-02-2013, 05:42 PM
dannat's Avatar
dannat (Daniel)
daniel

dannat is offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Macedon shire, Australia
Posts: 3,427
You should be bale to loosen the balsam in a very slow oven,
You could also try xylene or acetone, be careful to mark both lens with a straight line so you know to line them back up easily, use pencil either heavy graphite or wax pencil
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 16-02-2013, 06:03 PM
LewisM's Avatar
LewisM
Novichok test rabbit

LewisM is offline
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Somewhere in the cosmos...
Posts: 10,389
Daniel,

I cannot get the lenses out of their housing (press fit, which would mean destroying the "tube" that surrounds them to get them out), so I have to rely on capillery action to draw it into the microscopic gaps.

Already heated it - took it too far and the balsam turned dark brown (cooked it!). I actually stopped it when it was clear, but the heat retention took it past. Damn it. So, dissolving the balsam to leave an airspaced doublet instead - best option at this point.

There is a small crack in the crown glass lens, so that is helping get the acetone/alcohol mixture in there too. The crack does NOT seem to hinder refraction at all, as it does not cleave at an angle.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 16-02-2013, 09:58 PM
mercedes_sl1970
Registered User

mercedes_sl1970 is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Canberra
Posts: 430
Hi Lewis

I have been pondering this. I know you have already tried heating but could you try again at a lower temperature? Say, in a saucepan of water, slowly heating. I believe brass has a higher expansion rate than glass so you may be able to get the elements to release.

I had a similar problem with a WWII binocular eyepiece with which the balsam had crazed. The elements seemed fairly tightly bound in the eyepiece cell. I gently heated, well below boiling, and then they fell apart.

Could be worth a go?

Cheers

Andrew

PS I then re-cemented the elements with some UV curing goop.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +10. The time is now 01:47 PM.

Powered by vBulletin Version 3.8.7 | Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Advertisement
Astrophotography Prize
Advertisement
Bintel
Advertisement