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Old 10-01-2013, 02:04 PM
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SW stock vs UO VT's review

Hello all,

Just thought I'd write a quick review after viewing last night for anybody interested. This review is more about the range and an upgrade than comparisons at one focal length.

Eyepieces: SW (skywatcher) 25 and 10mm plossls, UO (university optics) 12.5 and 18mm volcano top orthoscopics.

Telescope: 10" SW Dobsonian

First up I was surprised how good the sw stocks are at certain things. Comparing the views between the 25mm and the 18mm on open star clusters (M46, M47) there wasn't a lot of difference. Looking at Jupiter there wasn't much difference between the 10mm and the 12.5. I could see just about the same amount of detail and about now I started to wonder whether the extra $ were worth it. Even the neb NGC 2438 in M46 was detailed just as well in the 10mm as the 12.5mm . This was just the initial impressions though!

As the night went on the quality of the UO's became more apparent. Looking at the orion neb and NGC 3372 there was definately more detail and a brighter image. The nebula's took on an almost ghostly 3d effect where the sw's felt 2d and flat.
When focusing the UO's were definately easier to use. The SW's have a short 'area' where the stars focus. The UO's focused easier with a 'longer' length of focusing available, stars were sharper and just brighter than the 25mm. Where they stood out was looking at tighter or dimmer star clusters. There were definately some wow moments. It also seemed that there were more faint stars on occasion in the background. Something else I became aware of was the strain that the ep put on your eye. The sw's where harder to focus with and I had to strain my eyes more to take in the views. I naturally found myself going for the UO's as it was easier to view with and the clarity was becoming more apparent.
FOV you aren't really going to miss much in the way of 5deg. when comparing the plossl vs orthos. I enjoyed the views through the OU's as I spent most of my time looking at dso's at the centre of the e.p. and very rarely go looking at the sides. Only on big open star clusters did I find that the view was a little restricting (that being the same for the plossl and ortho). This was only 2 objects viewed out of 27 last night.

Probably the only small negative is no eyeguard on the UO's for blocking light. I use a dark cloth over my head to block light as even on a moonless night there is still usually some light around. With the UO's the light was coming off the white background of the telescope around the focuser area. It wasn't that offputting but it still made me wonder whether it was affecting my views. The SW's have roll-up eyeguards and all surrounding light is supressed when using the dark cloth.

In short:

I found that the SW 10mm is great for viewing planets/moon but just bearable for DSO's and the 25mm is great on DSO's and not very good for planets.

The UO's while providing similar views can perform well in both areas and better. After looking back at the night I can say that I'm definately happy with my purchases and I am contemplating getting some more. There was a feeling of these views are just sharp!

If I was constricted in budget then I wouldn't worry now that I have compared the two ranges cause the views of the SW's are, in their best circumstances, just as good or within 90% of. Everything I saw in the UO's I saw in the SW's, just a little differently.

Hope you find this interesting if you're contemplating an upgrade or wondering if you need to spend the money.

Simmo

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Old 10-01-2013, 02:50 PM
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Thanks Simmo great little review , just one Q , were the UO 12.5 and 18mm Orthoscopics ? and the SW 10 and 25 plossl's .
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Old 10-01-2013, 03:05 PM
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Have to agree with Simmo ...the UO's would be the pick of the crop here ..!! ...much sharper ...how do I know ..?? ...had the same experience.

The cloth over the head is a good idea Simmo ..have to give that a go ..!!

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Old 10-01-2013, 05:14 PM
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Thanks Brian and yeah good point and that's correct. Edit on the way!

Flashdrive I picked up the idea of the dark cloth from one of the other posts somewhere on this forum. Can't remember which though so sorry to whoever posted that one. I find it really helps when at the eyepiece and the image becomes a lot brighter. It does a good job of keeping the mozzies away from your head too. You will get a timewarp feeling like your a photographer in the 1800's behind a camera but if your like me and you are not one to be embarassed you'll find it really useful.

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Old 10-01-2013, 10:29 PM
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Just an update.

After finishing the post I took a look at the UO website and the message at the top states that the manufacturer for the abbe orthoscopics has closed shop and will no longer be making the ep's. Hence UO has limited stock and once they're gone they're gone. I meanwhile have decided to buy 25,9 and 6mm ep's (couldn't stretch for the 4). Hopefully they're as good as the ep's I have now!

By the way Flashdrive where has your journey taken you now. Do you still own your orthos or did you move on if that's not asking too much?
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Old 10-01-2013, 11:47 PM
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Nice read. But, lat's be honest. Your results aren't really a revelation eh? The SW eyepieces come free with their scopes for a reason. Probably a $1 went into making them if that. Good to see your happy with the UO's though.

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After finishing the post I took a look at the UO website and the message at the top states that the manufacturer for the abbe orthoscopics has closed shop and will no longer be making the ep's.
Baadar has just released a new line of Ortho's. New design/coatings should make a decent alternative to UO.
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Old 11-01-2013, 02:09 AM
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Hello AG hybrid,

Um, I was actually suprised how well the SW's stacked up against the UO's especially the 25 on DSO's and the 10 on Jupiter. My main reason for getting new ep's was I found that the 10mm didn't quite cut it when looking at DSO's as it was hard to focus some times and it's what I'm interested in. The 25 created some colours around jupiter but I only used it as a locater anyway when viewing planets/moon, the 10 did all the rest.
Apart from that they have been great and I've had some memorable nights burned well into my mind. I have only been doing astronomy for 2mths and I suppose to you guys that are long termers that this would be a boring review as they have been around for so long but for me being new to astronomy and having no access to other users of scopes/ep's its a bit of a blackhole on whether it's really benificial to get an upgrade. I took a bit of a stab in the dark with the ortho's from what I could gather reading around here/other sights. Luckily it paid off as they seemed to fit what I was looking for.
So I thought it would be great to write something down about them. That they have had a benifit to my viewing and perhaps also for others if that's what they are after. On the other hand I thought it would be good to convey how good the SW's are regarding their qualities so that people using them might not feel that they are missing out on something when in all practicalities they have something that shows just as good in their best circumstance and I mean that.
What I have found is a lacking of any reviews when it comes to the stock ep's! and in regards to how they stack up to a first upgrade. In my mind I felt that perhaps they are inferior and you need to upgrade but after last night I am not so sure if you are only interested in where they excell. In any event for my purposes an upgrade was needed to investigate DSO's a little further and perhaps have an investment as well? In terms of how they stack up to your uber or other eyepieces I can't say as it's not something i've experienced yet. But maybe in the future you'll get another crazy ???$$$ vs $1 stock ep review!

In regards to the baaders I wasn't sure about them? There aren't any reviews yet and in my mind I pictured the Japanese with their very professional quality and morals compared to Chinese just get it done cheap and on mass techniques. Not to say that the new orthos might not be good it just seems that way to me at the moment and with time running out not a gamble I want to play with. Price is a winner for some people and hopefully the quality is just as good with these new products. Time will tell.

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Old 11-01-2013, 07:20 AM
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Simmo,
These eyepieces get great reviews on CN and are cheap too! I' haven't used them yet might be worth a go. http://www.EYepiecesETC.com/ASTROTEC..._p/3101120.htm
I'm waiting for the 15mm to show up and will get pairs of 15 and 12mm for binoviewing. Good tip on the towel too I use it and it works well...does get a bit warm in Summer.
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Old 11-01-2013, 08:57 AM
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Thanks Simmo , I to have 12.5 and 18mm volcano top ortho's ( 5mm to 25mm full set of circleT ) and yes you are right , great eyepieces . Very sharp .
Small field of view but I only use them for the moon and planets .
On the Baader ortho's , I had a nice 9mm Baader genuine ortho and it was identical in use as my 9mm volcano top but a slightly larger field of view , I actually sold it to Flash )
For wide fields on deep sky I use TV's .
Thanks for the clarification mate.
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Thanks Brian and yeah good point and that's correct. Edit on the way!

Flashdrive I picked up the idea of the dark cloth from one of the other posts somewhere on this forum. Can't remember which though so sorry to whoever posted that one. I find it really helps when at the eyepiece and the image becomes a lot brighter. It does a good job of keeping the mozzies away from your head too. You will get a timewarp feeling like your a photographer in the 1800's behind a camera but if your like me and you are not one to be embarassed you'll find it really useful.

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Old 11-01-2013, 09:02 AM
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Yes I seen that as well and thats a shame as these are ( were ) hand in Japan by a small and dedicated staff , good score Simmo . All mine are of the same very nice quality .
Looks like they will become collectable in the future .
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Just an update.

After finishing the post I took a look at the UO website and the message at the top states that the manufacturer for the abbe orthoscopics has closed shop and will no longer be making the ep's. Hence UO has limited stock and once they're gone they're gone. I meanwhile have decided to buy 25,9 and 6mm ep's (couldn't stretch for the 4). Hopefully they're as good as the ep's I have now!

By the way Flashdrive where has your journey taken you now. Do you still own your orthos or did you move on if that's not asking too much?
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Old 11-01-2013, 04:32 PM
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Just an update.
By the way Flashdrive where has your journey taken you now. Do you still own your orthos or did you move on if that's not asking too much?
Simmo....still have some ....but recently let 2 go to a good mate on this Site ( tak-man - way up North ) ) ...also swapped him for a Vixen LV eyepiece to try and complete my Vixen LV Set.

Keep those Ortho's close to your chest if you like them ...the optics are nice and sharp.

Flash ..!!

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Old 11-01-2013, 05:21 PM
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Hello all,

Thanks Flash. It's interesting to see how people have travelled and where they have ended up. Maybe I'll start a new post on people's ep histories and how they have progressed? It might be helpful to us newer astronomers.

Hi MattT, Thanks for the post. I did see those while researching and deliberated quite a lot. I put them, their (Astrotech/Sterling) high grade plossls, Explore Scientific wides and TV plossls in the shopping cart many times. I suppose in the end I decided to go with the orthos because their qualities seemed to suit what I was after.

Small field of view - I had read lately that this aids in viewing more detail. (Up for debate on how you describe more detail!)
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Their ablility to teach me how to use my scope as best I can. Every thing gets easier from here on in if you get my drift. This probably wouldn't suit everybody though. I am a bit of a challenge nut.

Brian I have read that the Baader ortho's were quite good. I think that they went by the wayside too not long ago. I haven't seen any here for sale and I think I've only seen one ortho the whole time since starting here on icies. I think the baaders AG Hybrid was referring to if you haven't seen them yet are these ones which have only just come out.

http://www.teleskop-express.de/shop/...ro/Baader.html

Thanks for the replies and regards
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Old 11-01-2013, 07:57 PM
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Thats a good idea Simmo , go for it mate .
most of us have walked the winding road over the years to get the eyepiece collection's we now have , its fun and never ending .
Brian.
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