Termites

jjjnettie (Jeanette) · #1 02-08-2012, 08:25 PM

4 month ago, I put in a bit of a vegie garden at the back of the house. The mulch backed up to the concrete slab, though I didn't water that far back, all the vegies were 3 or 4 feet away from the house (so they weren't under the eaves) and I hand watered them using grey water from the washing machine.
The realos are now saying there is a termite infestation in the house because of this.
Is it possible for termites to have taken hold in just this short time? I saw no signs of infestation, no mud tubes, climbing the concrete to the house.
I'd be grateful of any advice.

Larryp (Laurie) · #2 02-08-2012, 08:36 PM

Hi JJJ-I had termites in my house a few years ago, and from what the pest control people told me, I find it hard to believe your veggie garden is to blame.

sheeny (Al) · #3 02-08-2012, 08:40 PM

When you say the mulch backed up the slab, how far from the mulch to the nearest timber part of the house?

I'm no expert but as long as there's enough gap to see any the mud tubes, I'd say they are trying you on... what's the difference between mulch and grass as far as termites are concerned?

Al.

jjjnettie (Jeanette) · #4 02-08-2012, 08:41 PM

From what I have read, Spring and Summer is their active time.
I reckon they came from the neighbours infested house. They had to reroof last summer because of them.

Here's a piccy from the day I laid the mulch, on the 11th of April.

I'll see them in court if they're trying it on. It's causing much distress here.

Larryp (Laurie) · #5 02-08-2012, 08:46 PM

If your neighbours house is infested, that's where they would come from. Apparently they like to tunnel along the line of tree roots and things like that.
My pest control people could not find the primary nest-could have been under a neighbours concrete slab, but some trees in my backyard were infested, and they apparently got into my house through the tree roots

Davros (Lauren) · #6 02-08-2012, 09:13 PM

I would be telling them about the neighbours problems and that you will be hiring an independent pest expert to determine the termites origin and see if the agents back off then.

h0ughy (David) · #7 02-08-2012, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jjjnettie

4 month ago, I put in a bit of a vegie garden at the back of the house. The mulch backed up to the concrete slab, though I didn't water that far back, all the vegies were 3 or 4 feet away from the house (so they weren't under the eaves) and I hand watered them using grey water from the washing machine.
The realos are now saying there is a termite infestation in the house because of this.
Is it possible for termites to have taken hold in just this short time? I saw no signs of infestation, no mud tubes, climbing the concrete to the house.
I'd be grateful of any advice.

no they have come from somewhere else - dead tree stump or other infestation and top be honest if you know there was an infestation next door then you can bet your bottom dollar that they moved to easier pickings

GeoffW1 (Geoff) · #8 02-08-2012, 09:19 PM

Hi jjj,

I see that the grass and the general level of the land at the far corner, beyond the mulching, is above the timber cladding, which would not be your responsibility. How can they exclude that? And to prove it was the mulch they would have to show that this was the point of entry.

Termites can move in quite quickly, and 4 months would be enough for them to build a mud tunnel, but NOT enough for a destructive infestation. A colony is said to be capable of eating about 1 ft of a 2x4 timber in 6 months.

From a building standpoint, any timber house is vulnerable to termites, and if they are about, the main requirement is to inspect the foundations for mud tunnels which go up the stumps (hopefully concrete) and over the metal ant caps.

Australian Standard 3660 says

"Frequency of inspections"

Regular, competent inspections should be carried out at least on an annual basis but more frequent inspections are strongly recommended.

Additional inspections are recommended when bridging or breaching of a barrier may have occurred, such as by home additions, alterations, earthworks or landscaping adjacent to the building. Such routine inspections will not prevent termite attack, but will allow evidence of further termite activity to be detected, provided access to all areas is available and there are no concealed entry points. Early detection will allow remedial treatment to be commenced sooner and damage to be minimised.

Regular inspections will not prevent termite attack, but may help in the detection of termite activity. Early detection will allow remedial treatment to be commenced sooner and damage to be minimised. "

So, in that district they should have been inspecting their property regularly to ward off damage. It seems they are manoeuvering early to try to grab your bond.

Get some advice from the Qld Tenancy Tribunal, and tell them you are doing this

http://www.rta.qld.gov.au/Contact-Us

Street address
Level 23
179 Turbot Street
Brisbane Queensland

Postal address
GPO Box 390
Brisbane QLD 4001

Ph 3046 5400

Cheers

jjjnettie (Jeanette) · #9 02-08-2012, 09:21 PM

Cheers Geoff, you always come up trumps.

RickS (Rick) · #10 02-08-2012, 09:24 PM

JJJ,

Unless your mulch was over the top of the slab and allowed the termites to reach the timber of the house without being seen then I can't see how you could be held responsible. They might argue that the moisture attracted the termites but they are obviously around already and the house should have an appropriate chemical and/or physical barrier.

Cheers,
Rick.

MrB (Simon) · #11 02-08-2012, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Davros

hiring an independent pest expert to determine the termites origin and see if the agents back off then.

Was going to be my suggestion too.
They are def trying it on Nettie, a third party professional report will go a long way if you do go to court.

blink138 (Pat) · #12 02-08-2012, 09:36 PM

dont fret at all nettie!
THEY will have to point out in your tennant lease where it states that you should NOT mulch up to the house for fear of termite infestation!
nah its a load of boloney
you just ask them was your property treated when they knew the neighbours property needed re roofing because of that problem?
when was your property last treated? is the onus on you to do it? i think not!
dont worry...... there is no way you are responsible, and there is no way of them proving it
pat

jjjnettie (Jeanette) · #13 02-08-2012, 10:03 PM

LOL They are docking my bond for the removal of the vegie patch too. But I don't think I have a leg to stand on there. Though it was well maintained and the lease said I had to maintain the gardens.

MrB (Simon) · #14 02-08-2012, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jjjnettie

LOL They are docking my bond for the removal of the vegie patch too.

You've got to be joking. That is insane.

AstralTraveller (David) · #15 02-08-2012, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jjjnettie

LOL They are docking my bond for the removal of the vegie patch too. But I don't think I have a leg to stand on there. Though it was well maintained and the lease said I had to maintain the gardens.

What! Charging for the removal of an improvement? The hide. In my younger years I left vegie gardens all over the place, and inherited some too. No one said boo.

jjjnettie (Jeanette) · #16 02-08-2012, 10:35 PM

The snow peas were covered with flowers and peas, the zuccinis were only a couple of weeks away from harvesting. and the tomatoes were full of fruit.
I'll drop in tomorrow and let them know that I have taken advice on the subject. That I am going to refer the matter of the vegie patch and termites to the RTA for resolution.
Then demand they do something about the termites in the new house as I don't want my new dobbie to get white ants in the rocker box.
And ask them to remove all the gardens that back up to the house here (and the pine chip mulch) as I don't want to get the blame for the termites here.
It's the same owner of both houses you see. They can't have it both ways. No having your cake and eating it too as far as I'm concerned.

AstralTraveller (David) · #17 02-08-2012, 10:44 PM

Troublemaker.

MattT · #18 03-08-2012, 08:50 AM

I have the lovely critters eating my place right now too jjj my lovelys came from the next door neighbours house via the railway line. There is no way termites just appear from nowhere or because of watering a vegie patch. If your place is new its because the new wood attracted termites from next door...they love new wood be it hard or soft wood and according to my termite people, termites are most unpredictable.
Best of luck Matt

Liz · #19 03-08-2012, 08:58 AM

Oh,thats all terrible jjj. Hate that about renting, there always seems to be some bad blood when you leave a place, with the owners wanting to get what they can out of you.

Hope the new place is worth the hassle, and those naughty buggers keep away. I had them here last year (in the house) but luckily saw them before they did too much trouble.

Baddad (Marty) · #20 03-08-2012, 09:45 AM

Hi jjj,

In your tenancy agreement you are allowed to have a maintained garden.
The responsibility is on the owner to provide a pest free residence.

You have not broken any rules but the owner has failed.
This is how the courts will view it. I assume the owner may consult his solicitor and will try to bluff you.

Regarding the garden removal. Let them do that. Let them charge you for it. Then refer the matter to the Tenancies Authority. You can also hit them for trauma that way. Or: Just threaten them with trauma and they may back down altogether.

The owner knows full well he can not charge you for removal of the garden. Also is aware that you are not responsible for the termite infestation. Its all bluff.

Additionallly, the owner's arguement is weakened if you were not made aware of the existing termite problem at the time you signed the tenancy agreement. It must be stated on the lease documents.

I was in Pest Control for a long time. 17 yrs. Never once was a successful case raised against a tenant for pest infestation. Yet in every instance the tenants were responsible for the infestation through ignorance and their actions.

Cheers