Seti@Home IceInSpace Team?

iceman (Mike) · #1 02-06-2005, 05:04 AM

Hi guys.

Just gauging a bit of interest.. A member of the NAS suggested to me that we (at IceInSpace) set up a Seti @ Home IceInSpace team.

What's Seti @ Home?
Well, here's a blurb from the website:

Quote:

The SETI@home program is a special kind of screensaver. Like other screensavers it starts up when you leave your computer unattended, and it shuts down as soon as you return to work. What it does in the interim is unique. While you are getting coffee, or having lunch or sleeping, your computer will be helping the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence by analyzing data specially captured by the world's largest radio telescope.

What's an IceInSpace Team?
Basically I would start a "team" on the site, and members of the forum (or, anyone really) can join the IceInSpace team (quick and easy to do) to have a "collective" effort at this number crunching. It basically just groups your efforts to see how everyone is doing.

So, all it would mean is:
1. Create an account on the seti at home site
2. Join the IceInSpace team
3. Download (and use) the screensaver

That's it.

So, answer the poll to show your interest in getting this going.. I can take it or leave it, but if there's enough interest i'll set an IceInSpace team up.

Howzat (Phil) · #2 02-06-2005, 08:20 AM

I've got over 10 000 work units completed. The only problem is my e-mail address has changed so I can't recieve my password to change my details

[1ponders] (Paul) · #3 02-06-2005, 08:43 AM

I've been wondering how to get started in this program. Sounds like a great way to get involved in finding ETs

cahullian · #4 02-06-2005, 09:35 AM

seti have been using my pc for a couple of years now : )

It's all good folks, get involved and lets see if there is intelligent life somewhere in the universe

Seti have billions of pieces of gathered info that needs to be looked at and your pc will help them along with this. But if your pc finds something that leads to intelligent life being found you wont be credited with the discovery.

he he but It's still all good.

Irish

xstream (John) · #5 02-06-2005, 10:59 AM

Mike, you can also run Einstein @ Home (searching for pulsars) with Seti using Boinc. I already have a team going called LX90-users with approx 50.000 work units completed; If you wish I can change the team name, PM me on your thoughts if you wish me to do so.

Smokey · #6 02-06-2005, 11:07 AM

I have been meaning to set this up my computer.... I have this wiz-bang new computer that only gets used to a very minimal amount of its power. I leave it on being idle most of the time, so its about time I put it to work. Even if the Iceinspace team doesnt eventuate, I will go ahead with it.
Cheers

ving (David) · #7 02-06-2005, 11:48 AM

not really interested. my mate is into this stuff tho and has had it for years.

GrampianStars (Rob) · #8 02-06-2005, 12:16 PM

G'day Y'all
Ive over 1500 units completed on my laptop since 97'
registered under "IceMan"

http://climateapps2.oucs.ox.ac.uk/cp...nload_main.php

Climate Prediction is the latest craze
I've started up a team "Astronomers" a few months ago here:-

http://climateapps2.oucs.ox.ac.uk/cp...rm.php?id=1894

Starkler (Geoff) · #9 02-06-2005, 05:30 PM

Im not interested for the reason that there is no such thing as "free cpu cycles".
When your cpu is idle it is at minimum power consumption. When working hard crunching numbers the power consumption is much greater, your cpu heats up and you pay for it on your electricity bill. Its about the equivalent of constantly running another light bulb in the home.

h0ughy (David) · #10 02-06-2005, 07:12 PM

sorry must agree, a waste of power! The PC could be best used to store Tornado33's images and processing them

The only ET we have is the one running the country, controling my finances and driving the bus!

MiG · #11 06-06-2005, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Starkler

Im not interested for the reason that there is no such thing as "free cpu cycles".
When your cpu is idle it is at minimum power consumption. When working hard crunching numbers the power consumption is much greater, your cpu heats up and you pay for it on your electricity bill. Its about the equivalent of constantly running another light bulb in the home.

The difference to your computer's power usage is not that big, especially if you don't have cpu frequency and voltage scaling operating (which cuts back clockspeed and voltage during idle periods). Your CPU is only one part of the whole equation and the power difference between 0% CPU and 100% CPU is under 2x. 0% CPU != 0 (or even almost 0) power usage. And the CPU power usage is not the whole story either. So when you are not doing anything with your CPU you are pretty much wasting power because most of the power demand is still there but it's being used for nothing.

I don't think SETI@Home is the project most worthy of your (the proposed Ice in space team) CPU time. They have been wallowing in cheap processing power for years. I believe that it's time for other projects to get access to this resource. In windows I only give 1/3 of my time to SETI and in Linux I don't run it at all. IIRC, in seti classic I have around 2000 WU and in Boinc seti I have around 12000 credits, so I think I've contributed enough to their project. Einstein at home has my computer's attention now, even though the processing is damn slow under linux (about 0.5x windows speed) and you can't compile your own client to improve this.

turbo_pascale (Rob) · #12 15-02-2009, 11:51 AM

I've been running Folding@Home for years. As much as I think the Astronomy stuff is fun, this project has direct medical implications, and I think is more worthy. There are already several published papers which have moved research in to several diseases forward in significant ways.
http://folding.stanford.edu/

Plus, they have a GPU client which absolutely slaughters CPU throughput.
I run a dual GPU card (GTX295 which I only got a few weeks back) and push through about 12,000-14,000 points per day, that's without trying to use the Quad CPU in my machine. I've nearly put through more points since I got this card than I did over several years with the varying CPUs I've had.
If you have a PS3 that's connected to the net, it has a client built in. It also absolutely flies through work units as well due to the CORE processor.

But Starkler is right - power increase is a factor (especially when using the GPU). Not so much when using the CPU though, if you leave yous machine on anyway (I need to for work purposes)

gmbfilter (Geoff) · #13 15-02-2009, 12:11 PM

Fabulous, I'm in

What if we find something?

mozzie (Peter) · #14 15-02-2009, 02:40 PM

sounds great beem me up alians
mozzie

Kal (Andrew) · #15 16-02-2009, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by turbo_pascale

I've been running Folding@Home for years. As much as I think the Astronomy stuff is fun, this project has direct medical implications, and I think is more worthy. There are already several published papers which have moved research in to several diseases forward in significant ways.
http://folding.stanford.edu/

Plus, they have a GPU client which absolutely slaughters CPU throughput.
I run a dual GPU card (GTX295 which I only got a few weeks back) and push through about 12,000-14,000 points per day, that's without trying to use the Quad CPU in my machine. I've nearly put through more points since I got this card than I did over several years with the varying CPUs I've had.
If you have a PS3 that's connected to the net, it has a client built in. It also absolutely flies through work units as well due to the CORE processor.

But Starkler is right - power increase is a factor (especially when using the GPU). Not so much when using the CPU though, if you leave yous machine on anyway (I need to for work purposes)

I transferred from seti to folding around 7-8 years ago. At the time there was alerady surplus computing power for the seti task, and repeat work was being sent out and being calculated 3 or 4 times, totally wasting CPU cycles. They have since changed the system, where you contribute to the project with spare cycles going to other projects (primarily in medical research). Based on actual results gained from the projects, folding is having a direct effect on medical research, while seti has returned nothing, so I will continue to fold (taking a summer hiatus though, my room is hot enough!

TrevorW · #16 17-02-2009, 05:53 PM

Been there done that many many years ago total waste of time only way will find ET is by getting out there and start stealing their territory

Cheers

koputai (Jason) · #17 18-02-2009, 12:00 PM

Yeah, IMO seti has really done nothing with all this power. They have been going for what 10 or 12 years? In the end, they are not likely to find anything of relevance to mankind.
There are other much more worthy projects, IBM's World Community Grid for example doing research on medical issues that really can benefit mankind.
http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/

I do wonder though about the effectiveness of these home based grids. Surely the money spent managing and collating the data would be better spent on a proper supercomputer that would outstrip the grid in terms of achieved data, and use thousanths of the electrical power that all these PC's consume, adding to the greenhouse issue.
The efficiency of community grid computing must be attrocious.

Cheers,
Jason.

Kal (Andrew) · #18 18-02-2009, 08:23 PM

A proper supercomputer would definately perform more efficiently, but when you have virtually zero hardware cost, zero maintainence cost, zero upgrade cost, zero electricity cost, it makes the distributed model look like a good cost effective alternative!