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Old 26-07-2007, 12:36 AM
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First images in Ha

Hi all, here are my first images from tonight in Ha using the Astronomiks 13nm filter and the DSI II Pro with a f/3.3 focal reducer.

The Eagle Nebula was a combination of 75 images @ 21.2 seconds each and the Eta Carina Nebula was a combination of 100 images @ 8 seconds each.

Minimal processing was done in Maxim and darks have been subtracted. I am quite happy with the first results allthough there is still a lot more to do.


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Old 26-07-2007, 01:18 AM
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Ric,

The nebula has come up beautiful in both images
There is an enormous amount of detail!!!!!

Do you have an IR/UV Filter to kill the blobby stars? Would be nice to see the result using both the HA and IR/UV filters.

Good stuff though
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Old 26-07-2007, 01:24 AM
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very nice!
lots of detail in both
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Old 26-07-2007, 06:35 AM
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Nice work Ric, I love h-a shots. Will you combine some RGB data with them?
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Old 26-07-2007, 11:32 AM
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Hi all and thanks for the comments.

Ken, I didn't use the IR/UV filter with these images, I was reading some info on the net that suggested it was not needed but on reflection I will give it a try to reduce the blobbiness.

Tj, thanks for the comments.

Mike, last night was a quick test to get familiar with the filter and how the image looked through the DSI II. I will definitely be re-imaging in RGB as well.

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Old 26-07-2007, 12:02 PM
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good going Ric!!
lots of detail showing in the Ha!
I notice some aberrations in one corner of your images?
Would that be from the focal reducer?
shall be great when you put it all together as a HaRGB.
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Old 26-07-2007, 12:25 PM
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Hi Gary, thanks for the comments. I'm not sure about the aberrations, they could be from my processing which is still a bit limited in knowledge at the moment.

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Old 26-07-2007, 03:03 PM
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Ric, i love those images, i'm a bit partial to greyscale images as well, great work

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Old 26-07-2007, 03:29 PM
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Good start Ric. Well done. I came across some DSI tips on the net once. It was recommended setting the gain to 0%. Apparently this significantly reduces star bloat. It wasn't related to IR leak at all. You may also need to consider your sampling to ensure your getting a suitable arcsec/pixel coverage for DSOs with this camera.
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Old 26-07-2007, 03:37 PM
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Also note your focus. A 12" SCT operating at F/3.3 has a extremely short critical focus zone of 23.9 microns. So you need to get within this zone for the field to look sharp. We are talking a distance of 0.0239 mm here! This is not impossible but may take some time to get right. Obviously, the further out of this zone, the larger your stars will look.

When you put this in perspective, your first results are a pretty fine effort.
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Old 26-07-2007, 04:43 PM
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Thanks Leon and Jase.

Jase, the gain is usually around 46 to 50 so I shall experiment with that and see what happens, also the focal reducer has extenders which allow to image at f/3.3, f/5.0 or f/6.3 so I'll investigate that area as well. I assume imaging at a higher f value would increase the critical focus zone.

Thanks for the advice, and now I have a little project to work on, I see the clouds are rolling in on cue.


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Old 26-07-2007, 04:56 PM
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12" SCT @ F/5 has a CFZ of 55microns.
12" SCT @ F/6.3 has a CFZ of 87microns.

Of course as you change your F ratio, your focal length and in turn your FOV also changes.

This is the DSI gain reference I mentioned - I found it again! http://www.hamiltonastronomy.com/ART...o_Gain_DSI.pdf
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Old 26-07-2007, 10:15 PM
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Many thanks Jase, I've downloaded the article for printing tomorrow. I've had a good read of it and found it to be very interesting and I am keen to test it out.

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Old 26-07-2007, 11:31 PM
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A little 'Bird' sat next to me at camp and showed me how to use 'Gain'.

The tip: 0%

Since then I always use 0% gain. I have tested it a few times since, and the results are terrible when I turn gain up. The images get very grainy and noisy, and Stars supernova!

So ever since I was shown, I always image with Zero gain
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Old 27-07-2007, 09:13 AM
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I shall not forget this tip that for sure. I've always let the auto exposure set it for me. It is written into my hardbound Astro notebook and highlighted, I always keep it with my gear so I cant miss it

Now it looks clouded for the weekend so I cant test it out. Don't you just hate that

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Old 27-07-2007, 07:30 PM
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Well Ric, you too have found the power of the Ha filter

Nice images mate, I have a Starlightxpress MX716 which is similar to the DSI ProII I think (?) and it was a great camera to use with my 12" SCT and an F3.3 reducer when I first started imaging.

Nice work

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Old 27-07-2007, 09:03 PM
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The Nebulae come out very nicely Ric, stars need work.

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Old 28-07-2007, 11:23 AM
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Thanks Mike & Fred.

Fred, I totally agree with you regarding the stars I have received a few good tips and read up on some info on focussing techniques so hopefully I will solve that problem.

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Old 28-07-2007, 03:46 PM
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Wonderfull images !

I have to thank everyone else as well, i have had trounble with star-bloat and you may have answered my prayers!

Reading more about gain now...


Ken, that "Bird" is a very smart man, I would have no chance of getting images of the quality I do without him, he has been a great help to me.

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Old 28-07-2007, 03:58 PM
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Great images. I just got the same Ha filter so I'll have to try it out. Some really good advice in this thread for us DSI users too. Its terrific to get this level of help - I'd spend hours experimenting otherwise.
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