20mm t5 Nagler

[CoombellKid]

Hi Folks,

Being an XW type of bloke, I'm now ready to move to the darkside
with my first purchase of a premium mid to low-ish power ep. So
does anyone know where the best deals on a 20mm t5 Nagler can
be had? or is it just Bintel that has the market sown up. I like to
buy local to help keep the local market churnning so I wont be going
OS for it. Maybe someone has one in pristine condition they have been
thinking of moving, PM me :thumbsup:

regards,CS

Rob

[Starkler]

I beleive that Bintel is the sole distributor for Televue products in Aus.

Yes they can be had from OS, but the dealer agreements say that this is not allowed to happen.
I purchased a panoptic new from OS and posted about it here, which quite upset the dealer, so if you do manage to get one in this way, please keep quiet about it so you dont ruin it for others ;)

[matt]

Yep. Wouldn't mind picking one of these up 2nd hand myself, but don't like my chances.

By the way ... is that you Rob (Xrekcor)?

Welcome back!

[CoombellKid]

Matt,

Tis me ;)

Well if I cant pick up one in pristine condition second hand, I'll be ordering
a new one through the week.

Starkler, like I said above, I dont want to go overseas so I wont be :thumbsup:
Personally I prefer to support the local industry and have a quick result
from any warranty issues, if any. Even if it does cost me a few more dollars.
Unless I buy straight from the manufacturer I buy local as a rule :) so
your secret overseas trade is safe with me. basically this post is to alert
folks who may have one and are thinking of parting with it, then PM me.
Yes I'm being sneaky as I cant use the "Buy, Sell, Trade (http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=9)" forum :whistle:

regards,CS

Rob

[iceman]

Hey Rob, welcome back.

You're welcome to post a WANTED ad in the relevant forum until your "newbie" time expires :)

[Starkler]

Valid points Rob and yes I did have a warranty issue with the particular eyepiece I bought, with the barrel filter thread being defective, and taking some time to get resolved :doh:

I have seen a few complaints posted on this, so with TV eyepieces it pays to check the threads.

[CoombellKid]

Thanks Mike, maybe you could move this thread over there.

Geoff, the pro's and con's of out-sourcing their work means
the QC probably isn't what it used to be. Besides I will still
be able to say all my premium ep's are made in Asia. And if
you really look at it do any American companies _actually_
make premium ep's anymore?

regards,CS

Rob

[janoskiss]

Good to have you back on board Rob. But beware the dark side (and its green stripes)! :lol: You probably need a lot of patience and/or luck to get one second hand at a good price.

Whatever happened to Andrews getting Televue EPs at discount prices? :confuse3:

There seems to be global price fixing w.r.t. televue products: every dealer has the same price. And prices are way too high :mad2:, especially considering they are made in Taiwan.

[Dave47tuc]

What's wrong with that? I think the 26 & 20 mm Naglers are super Ep's and I have used both.

Please explain your comment?

[janoskiss]

I did not say there was anything "wrong" with it. I just think the prices of Televue EPs are outrageous, and I would like to see Televue pass on some of the savings of using Taiwanese manufacture onto the customer; e.g., a T6 should be significantly less expensive than an XW.

[Dave47tuc]

TV Ep's have always been high priced. Even when they came from Japan. Some still do come from Japan.
You payed many hundred dollars for these Ep's in the 80's and wages were a lot less than today wages.

I don't see why they have to be cheap because they come from Taiwn. What because of the cheaper labour!

[janoskiss]

I presume that's why TV moved production there. If they are cheaper to make they should be a at least a little cheaper to buy (or at least it would be nice if they were :sadeyes: ).

[h0ughy]

ROB,

HI long time no hear! Welcome back from whereever, live does exist outside the universe, but you don't get to meet the loonies here. Mate are you going to Duckadang this year? If so do you think you can wait until july My 20mm Nagler might just be the one your looking for! You could get it from me at Astrofest. Try before you buy so to speak!

itsd the 2" Nagler either the t5 or t6? have to check PM me what you looking at paying, I know what I paid for it!

[CoombellKid]

Hey David,

How ya doing mate! I know life (as we know it) does exist outside the
universe, Just that my 8" cant tease it out. But hey with a 20mm t5
like yours it might! ;) lol Yup we'll be up at Duckadang this year from
the 18th on, looking forward to it. As I said to Astro_South I'm looking
forward to winning a $75:00 calender again:doh:



You might be right it was your 20mm t5 I was originally after... but you were quicker
:(
You may remember, I tried it out in my scope at last year's Astrofest, and
loved it. So I'll PM you now.

regards,CS

Rob

[dhumpie]

Hey Rob,

Welcome back. Have been trying to e mail you at your old e mail ad to no avail. What have you been up to :)

Darren

[CoombellKid]

Hi Darren,

Thanks Mate, not much just work, looking at clouds, sleep... but we're
hoping for a lil clear weather _next week_ oh one who controls such
things. But as I'm buying my first lil Nagler (so folks dont think I hate TV's).
Which should arrive late next week, me hopes!!. The weather will
prolly do the usual.

Apart from that getting ready to be a dad again. We got a another
lil rev-head on the way :D amazing what xmas cheer and a couple
of beers can do eh :whistle:

How about yourself, hows the new dob! must be a treat to have the
extra aperture. I'm still using the 8". Since I have dark skies at the
doorstep it still pulling it's weight in enjoyment, but aperture is starting
to call me. I'd love to buy one of these rumoured 16" GSO dob's, What
ever happen about those... anyone know?

regards,CS

Rob

[CoombellKid]

Well I guess I should say I'm a Nagler owner now. Hope that cheque
arrived ok David.

Starkler,

It's is interesting to note that I emailed the supplier here in Australia
on the 6/05/06 with the intention of placing an order. If I couldn't
get something second hand I was going for the 22mm t4 because
the ER is similar to my XW's. I waited prolly 3-4 days before I decided
to try online. It's now near 2 weeks and I have not recieved a reply
maybe this is why some folks head overseas, That was a $750.00
sale they lost, perhaps they didn't need my money. So I think I will
be buying my astronomiks filters direct from Gerd Neumann. I remember
when I was originally tossing up between XW's and Naglers, finding myself
unable to choose I emailed the suppliers of each. I had got and already started
using the 10mm XW by the time the Nagler supplier bothered to reply. I own
three XW's now and one Nagler. Could of been 4 Nagler from that supplier
$2000.00+ in sale if they had of bothered replying.

regards,CS

Rob

PS: Now only if I can get some clear weather this weekend.

[h0ughy]

got the cheque, thanks Rob. 8 weeks to go.....

[casstony]

Rob, I've had similar experiences with email. The place you're talking about responded to one out of three of my emails. Then I tried calling but I got that cranky woman, so that call wasn't very useful.

Lee andrews always manages to respond to emails though you need to ask only one question per email. I get the impression he has a thousand emails to respond to, gives each one a quick read and shoots out a reply.

Tony

[janoskiss]

It's a shame about the "Nagler dealer" neglecting their emails especially if you don't live near one.

Spot on about Lee, but once you know the rules it's something you can work with. :lol:

I found the best people to deal with via email are AOE (http://www.aoe.com.au). Most helpful and patient responses to all queries. :thumbsup: But that's probably because they are a mail order only business and don't have an actual shop.

[Starkler]

I called that place once with credit card in hand, wanting to order a telescope right there and then, and that cranky woman said "I'm too busy, buy it from the website". :screwy: :screwy: :screwy: :screwy:



Yes AOE are great with that, but full marks have to go to Wildcard Innovations. I emailed them re a problem with my argo navis installation, and i got a very helpfull reply within an hour on a Sunday!

[dhumpie]

Nice one Rob (about the Nagler I mean not Jake 2 heehe). And yes the 10" is treating me very well. Has not been out to dark skies yet but it will be soonish I hope. Anyway I have used a 10" GS dob in the past quite extensively anyway (Westsky's one from Leyburn) so I know its capabilities. Have been using it heaps here in suburban Brissie. And keep us up to speed on the first light report!

Darren

[CoombellKid]

Houghy,
Great to hear David, thanks for your prompt service... I had it before
the cheque was in the mail. And the nice dicount off the box price too!!:scared:
8 weeks to go? missing yer Nagler already? :lol: but seriously Waaahooo!!!
I'm looking forward to it!!!

Casstony,



Yeah you would think that the rent on a down town Sydney shop would
be astronomical (excuse the pun) and they would want every sale they
can get.

You guy's a right about Lee, he is very prompt. The same goes for Star
Optics up on the gold coast, great blokes to deal with IMO.


Darren,
Yes moved over to the dark side, hopefully we'll get a chance to use it
over the weekend. It's nice to have something between my 14mm XW
and my 30mm SV, although the 30mm SV will be swapped out for a 30mm
XW later. But my next investment will prolly be a PST which I want before
the November Mercury transit. Good to hear your enjoying the new scope.
I still have my 8" saxon. I guess I'll prolly have it for a while to come. It
does alright out here in dark land and I have no real need to change it,
although there is a growing urge for aperture. But hey we have Astrofest
for that, it's about time I looked through Peter Robbins 30"er again

You going up this year?

regards,CS

Rob

[square_peg114GT]

I use a 20mm T5 with my 8" f/6. I consider it my 'galaxy killer'. Just the right combination of power/fov. The Virgo cluster seen from a good dark sight is jaw-dropping!!

[CoombellKid]

Same optical setup as me, except I still have the super classy R&P focuser
I live out in the boonsticks, so dark sky is not a problem. I live in a town
with a population of 11, soon to be 12 (got a lil one on the way) we dont
have any shops, street lights or traffic for that matter our town is the end
of the road. Then you got more bush, well pine actually. So we get horizon
to horizon stars here except for the odd tree. And since most folks here
work in or on the farming industry they're in bed light out by 8pm :)
The only interuptions to observing have been the odd frog jumping down
me newt.

Had my first looks through the 20mm t5 last night, albeit a quick gander
as clouds came rolling in. But it's looking great tonight. Anyways I did what
I usually do start using what I'm used to using then sloted in the Nagler.
Only really got to look at Eta Carina, which was spectacular. Even both
lobes of the Homunculus were presented. When I give it a good run I'll post
my thoughts. irrespective of focal length it out classed the 30mm SV by a
golden mile. But it is nice to have something in between the 30mm SV and
my 14mm XW, although I think the Nagler will retire the 30mm SV. The
Nagler is certainly a nice ep. But I will be going back to XW's for the 30mm
and 40mm... then I'll nearly have em all ;) :help:I'm addicted

Anyways, except for the jetstream we're looking pretty good here tonight
so must go and setup!!

regards,CS

Rob