XP on intel macs finally here

[fringe_dweller]

After all the rumours it is here in beta form, this is HUGE! (if your a mac user) this isnt no emulation rubbish either - its a supported dual boot on the intel inside macs

http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,18727766%5E15306%5E%5Enbv%5E ,00.html

http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/

all those lovely pc astro proggys :) I do finally have a pc now anyway, but this will be sweet in the future

[cjmarsh81]

I have heard the hype about doing this for a while and I have only one question. WHY??? It just seems a little absurd to me. Mac's have always been non-standard hardware-wise. Why would you go out and buy a Mac then to use it like a PC which is generally cheaper and more capable of being upgraded. :screwy:

[janoskiss]

I would be more interested in OS X on intel hardware.

[cjmarsh81]

I would too. Windows crashes too much and I don't like Linux.

[fringe_dweller]

CJ You would have to be a longtime mac user to understand maybe? There are cheaper macs all the time now, something that never existed before, ie the cheaper intel chips.
If you were a mac user you would find macs dont need to be upgraded as often as PC's do, they are made to last a lot longer, thats why they are traditionally more expensive, it works out the same.
I have enjoyed the no brainer aspect of macs for years - no rebuilds that take a whole day every 4-6 months ect. ect. I have never ever had a virus or whatever or had to daily upgrade my anti-virus software, ect ect.
Perhaps some people like a unix based OS that is as stable as a rock, I was enjoying an awesome GUI interface long before xp came along, lets face it before XP came on the scene they were terrible PC OS's

[fringe_dweller]

Have you seen these guys before Steve? i dont know much about it tho - Its just techie nuts having fun and showing off, dunno? pretty famous
http://www.osx86project.org/

[fringe_dweller]

and anyway this post isnt an invitation to start bagging/flaming macs!!??? (usually by people that have probably never owned or used a mac - especially a highend, up to date model - and dont know what they are talking about? )
I understand the good things about using PC's, the user has more options in modifying the OS, all the software ect., upgradeablity, but some of us dont want to spend every waking moment tweaking and playing around with their 'puters - some just want to get on 'em and use them!
moderaters!

[rmcpb]

Unix, Mac and Windows all in one package. Almost worth upgrading the G4 for that :)

[fringe_dweller]

Amen to that brother :)

Funny but after the apple news, I read about this Virtualisation sytem just released which allows you to run Windows in a window on an intel mac/mactel in OS X - at near full speed, no emulation rubbish - fully native

http://www.parallels.com/en/

more on virtualisation http://www.intel.com/technology/computing/vptech/

Wonder when MS will put out an OS and allow PC clones that will allow the running of two utterly different OS's native simultaneously (which mac did first years ago when OS 10 was first launched - ran classic OS 9 in a window - that ended with version 10.4 of course) pretty clever stuff!

I also just read some first impressions of the new dual boot on mactels and there are reports that XP and some benchmark programs are running faster on their mactels than on the fastest PC!! LOL

But then UNIX bsd should allow any platform to be run on it I am told, so its all no surprise I guess

The big winner is INTEL it would seem ;)

and re the non standard hardware - that has changed a lot in recent years - an example: I remember when apple wouldnt allow you to use any ram but their own overpriced rebadged version (good quality tho), that was a scam! (apple aint perfect thats for sure) or you voided your warranty, things like that have changed years ago, you can use just about any cheap PC ram now I think, and especially in the mactels - all the ram sticks in my G5 dual 1.8 (powermac chips) are pc compatible, and run beautifully.

funny world aint it - I understand the triple core chip in the MS 360 X box is a powerPC CPU, modified but very similar to the G4 and G5 CPU's LOL
and the macs now have intel chips - bizzare!

[fringe_dweller]

PS Disclaimer: I am in no way connected with apple - or have any affiliation - just a big fan :)

[AstroJunk]

One O/S to look really pretty, and the other to have useful software on it:eyepop:

{sound of AJ running and hiding}

[fringe_dweller]

hehe oh goody at last a bite!, thanks AJ :) all that typing and not one bite??
A trolls work is never done *sigh*
hey are gate crashing this mac party dude?

well first up, thats one of the only two put downs PC people can usually make
the other I wont mention here LOL

I know which OS I would rather surf the internet and do email with thats for sure - and isnt that mostly all that most average home puter owners want to do?
apart from that what else is the common average use? you can download/scan and edit your *normal* photography images, edit video, burn to dvd, rip movies, download and play mp3's (itunes), record your own music ect. ect. all with the bundled software for starters, build, run and maintain a website, CS/PS is a flagship proggy for mac, MS office is very nice on mac np, so no impediment to desktop publishing and printing, especially with the advanced publishing stuff

ok I hear the most common and biggest complaint is that you cant use mac too do your finances in the common myobs or whatever - thats tosh, thats only coz the accountant you take it too is running bloomin windows and an incompatible windows accounting proggy - the mac accounting/finance stuff works fine

Its in the black arts and games and esoteric stuff like image stacking (i have read that if a serious no holds barred astro image program was written for the mac {not holding my breath tho}- it would be superior to any PC one, coz of the macs superior floating point system or something like that) proggies that mac suffer the most - re. black arts, I have seen the impressive free stuff for PC like 'dvd shrink' ect. now and they are pretty damn amazing I admit

so a pretty (whats wrong with pretty? I'm pretty??? and thats ok? hehe) 10x stabler OS and one for playing games on :P YAY

PS I hear that vista is expected to run even better on the mactel than xp does :P

[avandonk]

I stuck with IBM OS2 till it could not or would not keep up with hardware advances. It had a better windows than windows. It had 128 character file names (windows had eight). It took windows a lot of years to catch up to what I already had. I finally gave up when XP came out! I have almost got as good an operating system as I used to have.
I never even contemplated an Apple. It did not run my applications at all!

bert

[fringe_dweller]

Bert, your not alone, I know of hard core mac people who were lured over by the siren song of XP (specially after SP2) and the prospect of never having to pay for software ever again ;) and the choice of having at least 300 different programs for every task imaginable, and most of them 'free', not to mention games.
I guess I should of said that the biggest implications are for those mac users who begrudgingly have always had to have a PC around for the 1 or two programs that they needed outside of macs.
Never heard of an essential service system/network like hospitals being run on windows tho? maybe thats changed? but I have on UNIX :)
I see that OS you used eventually morphed into the famous and well respected, but expensive, Windows NT at one point :)
Its good to have choices isnt it :-))

[rogerg]

I have to admit, I don't understand the appeal. Surely with windows will come all the things you hate about it - the crashes, the viruses, the rebuilds (not that I've had to rebuild my XP computers for their entire life and they run fine), etc.

Surely the line between the PC and Mac becomes extremely blurred when you run the same OS on both. Especially as I hear Apple have signed a deal to use intel chips in their boxes (gez motorola must be :mad2: ). Intel chip + Windows XP: how does that make it different to a PC?

I believe mac's have their benefit and obviously cater for a reasonable market, but why in that case pick up all the faults of the PC... why not keep the distinction. Interesting and somewhat confusing.

But hey, if it makes mac users happy, good on ya. :)

Btw, do mac's have more than one mouse button yet? :D

Sorry, couldn't resist that one.

Roger.

[fringe_dweller]

Hi Roger, You raise some good points there :)
Unfortunately not many of the many talented app writers will write a nice app for an OS that has only got around 5% market share, thats just economics, despite the fact macs have always been superior at every stage through history!
But that also means all the whizz kid hackers and virus writers out for glory go for the majority system, be that windows of course.
Steve Jobs seems to have deliberately (in fact sometimes I think they like being a snooty minority os?) stifled macs being mainstream in its history, a few times.
The main impediment has been that apple wont licence out to clone makers (although there was a single apple clone maker briefly years ago cant remember what it was called now) Ever notice how much a top of the line 'you beaut' dinky di IBM desktop costs? - its the same as an equivalent mac. I dare say not many people have PC's that arent clones? thats why they are traditionally cheaper of course
The second big reason they arent the dominant os, is because Jobs wanted nothing much to do with games en masse, when they took off in the 90's -
I think he is quoted? as saying he didnt want people to think of his puters as toys - something along those lines anyway - woops!
And they are two obvious reasons I can think of why PC's are the dominant personal computer over the years and even today
Do you enjoy your firewire 1 and 2 and USB 1 an 2 connections on your PC's, what do you think of them? well you can thank apple for those if you dont mind, thats were they came from - in fact a mate suspects that USB 2 is just the old firewire 1, same top speed, very suspicious - remarketed for some reason?
anyway I digress
The apples with the dual core intel chips came on the market in jan this year
Motorala used to make the powermacs (powerpc) chips in conjunction with IBM I think - now its only IBM only that make the current G5 chips for some reason.
The dual core INTEL chips in the new seperate line of macs (the IBM made powermac chips are to be phased out by the end of 2007 I believe)
are similar to the new dual core INTEL PC chips, but are a chip specially designed to mac specs for apple, so they are not the exactly the same - by the way I have now read more reviews of XP on the intel macs now, and its official: you now have to buy a new fast intel mac to have the fastest most powerful 'PC' available in the consumer range in the world - that makes this old mac fans heart gloat ..I mean.. glow with pride
The two OS's would be partitioned on the hardrive (and with RAID these days thats a lot of hardrive eh :-) ) so am not sure re XP corrupting the OSX side of the deal - different language, cant see how it could - anyway thats easy just dont surf the net or do emails, online banking with the XP side, should be simple. I can click on virus's in my email or whatever now and nothing happens -
and after OS 10 (X) came out in late 2001 you could use left and right button PC mouses - all the same functions as in windows, scroll ect. but your right we were famously double clickers prior to that - although using the command key while clicking is basically the same thing - so we did have it.
And unfortunately all new macs still come with those stupid mouses new I think - much to the amusement of everybody - he is very quirky old mr Jobs, strange sense of humour? i sometimes think they arent very interested in the home puter market to tell you the truth - just the corporate world ... gggrrrr
you just have to buy your own PC mouse
My PC optical logitech mouse I bought from officeworks a long time ago has left and right (including double click on the left ) scroll wheel, - and several other side buttons that all work very well in games just like on a PC :)
Cheers
Kearn