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Originally Posted by bartman
Strange that Suzy, dawn creeps up at 4:30 am here too   ....that is in the West to the West of the far Western suburbs of Brisbane........unless I'm getting confuseded....too 
Anyhoe I'll try and have the camera set up anyway!
Bartman
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It's fairly bright here at 5am, that much I know. I'm often up around 3.30am lately & it's dark. So I figure somewhere around 4-ish it dawn breaks thru.

One of the articles I read said best viewed between 3 & 4am.
I also looked
here and got the times which does seem to match up the dawn time in my area. Scroll down the page to find civilian times & astronomical times for your area- & it also explains what each means.
Ron would know, but he's having a big day out up north today grrrr.
My main question here is can I start viewing them earlier, say 2am or are most visible just before dawn.