How Sad

[astroron]

The headline on the ABC web page reads
The appearance of a mysterious bright spot on Uranus has mobilised amateur astrologists. :sadeyes::sadeyes:
Then goes on to show a picture of Jupiter :rolleyes:
See link here (http://www.abc.net.au/bestof/?WT.svl=bestOfScroller#s3360392)
Pretty pathetic in my book:mad2:
Cheers :thumbsup:

[ReaPerMan]

I have just registered a complaint about the poor fact checking for this article is anyone want's to have a go the link is

http://www.abc.net.au/contact/contactabc.htm

all the best

Paul

[midnight]

It actually says "second most distant planet from Earth in our solar system". This still technically incorrect as Pluto is no longer a planet...

However, it is confusing when they constantly refer to Uranus but you see the photo of Jupiter. But the one for me is the reference to "astrologists":mad2: as you've pointed out Ron.

Darrin...

[Terry B]

On a similar note, my son tells me that ABC news wasted time last night interviewing an "astrologer" about the significance of the date 11/11/11.
How this opinion could be news I'm not sure.

[Kevnool]

When the ABC is good everyone loves them.
When there bad yep there bad.

[Jen]

:eyepop: oh dear shame shame shame :poke::poke:

[shelltree]

Wow, what a doozy! That is very sad indeed :(

[Jeffkop]

The fact that NO-ONE in any part of that articles production read Uranus but saw Jupiters picture speaks volumes to me about ANY of the article's produced authenticity or accuracy.

Its akin to telling us about Miss Brown the 34 year old axe murderer and showing us a picture of Santa !!!

I know how much this community LOVES being associated with Astrology too ... so IM not going to go there !!!!

[Ric]

Geez, some of these journalists just are not very bright at all.

Isn't the editor supposed to check things like that.

[barx1963]

Well the article itself is quite good, if you ignore the photo, and the interview with Bird and Trevor is excellent, the interviewer even got the pronunciation of Uranus right.

[h0ughy]

send it in to their media watch

[michaellxv]

Reading the story I got the impression that it is the picture of Jupiter we should ignore and that the spot in question is on Uranus.
Do I have this right?

[Robh]

Bit of an over-reaction. The article (text of conversation) is technically accurate. The spot they are talking about is on Uranus, which is the second most distant planet in the solar system now that Pluto has been down-graded. The references to Jupiter are about observation's made by Anthony Wesley of meter/asteroid strikes in 2009/2010.

If they don't have an image of the Uranus spot, the photo of Jupiter is next best and in context with the discussion. Jupiter has spots.
Here is another reference to bright spots on Uranus ...
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/11/111021-uranus-planet-new-spot-storm-methane-gemini-space-science/

My only quibble is of the use of the term "astrologer". Perhaps the web manager is astronomically illiterate. I don't think you can necessarily blame Naoh Schultz-Byard. But someone should oversee the accuracy of the primary web page content.

Regards, Rob

[astroron]

Yes Rob,My quibble was with the title:(
I am sure the ABC with all it's resourses could find a picture of Uranus,even one without a white spot would have done :rolleyes:
One gets fed up with so called science journelist who do not even check their stories :shrug:
Cheers :thumbsup:

[Robh]

Hi Ron,

You are right in pointing it out. Whoever manages that primary page needs to ensure its accuracy. I was referring to some of the other posts that were lambasting the actual conversation/text, which was accurate.

Regards, Rob

[astroron]

Hi Rob,I undstood what you where alluding to, and agree whole heartedly.
Cheers :thumbsup:

[overlord]

As Astronomers we do NOT use the ancient mystical rubbish called Astrology


Not all of it is mystical? Most ancient astrology is based upon observation and deduction. Ancient astrologers were actually persecuted by all the abrahamic religions, which would lead one to believe they were less mystical than the religious authorities who destroyed their work. I used astrology to predict this financial crash occurring in september of this year so I knew to stay out of the markets. Financial astrology is quite technical. It's more like a giant regular clockwork for making deductions. I don't think financial astrologers are interested in doing incantations and alchemy, and `beseeching the gods'. Then there are `star sign' people who really are mystics. I'm not trying to correct you or anything but i'd just like you to be aware that astrology never went away like the textbooks claim and there are lots of us out here and we are confident in our abilities, since they seem to work. Thank you. :eyepop:

[barx1963]

Oh come on Chucky! Not that rubbish again. If "Financial Astrology" works, where are all the billionaire astrologers?


Malcolm

[Benno18]

I just like the title of the link
'Best of ABC' !!!!!!!!


:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl ::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rof l::rofl:

[overlord]

Well in all fairness I believe it is true to say that astrology can be described as `mystic', certainly. It has many unknown variables associated which prevent it from ever being described as an exact science... kind of like trying to say that humans are responsible for MOST global warming. I mean IF humans are making all the species go extinct, it follows that humans are the MAJOR vector for changing the planet and therefore the MOST LIKELY cause of the said warming. That's not an exact science either... and the reason is there is too many variables for one human to contemplate. Just because something is not as exact as a mathematical equation, (i'd like to see something in the universe which is :lol: ) does not necessarily mean something should be dismissed as `rubbish'. That work riles me up. It irks me.

[Paul Haese]

Well in fairness we had been imaging Jupiter for several days before the Uranus imaging request. I had left a day before the interview, but the images we ones we had gathered during the nights before. Anthony had collected some data on Uranus but it was at the wrong time. Some images are better than none.

[CraigS]

... and those 'many unknown variables' also result in its unverifiability .. which precludes it from being used in the same sentence as 'Science'.

It is in fact, also, this particular aspect, which precisely defines it as a pseudoscience !


I'll say ! ... the 'logic' of your argument is more like: "a total crock" !


Feel free to be irked ! ... The real universe doesn't care !
Astrology is rubbish because it is not objective (in any sense), internally consistent, nor is it independently verifiable ... and these aspects are openly admitted by most Astrologers !... And the even more bizarre thing, is that somehow, Astrology followers seem to glorify these very aspects which are the very ones which exclude it from ever being comparable with 'Science' in the first place !

Cheers

[overlord]

:rofl: It may surprise you to know that statistics is used in science? So if something is right 70% of the time... it isn't? Statistics is used in psychology and biology very frequently. Both have an immense number of variables, which in your words make them `psedosciences'. :screwy: AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA! Have you ever been to university? Your argument is pure crap! I'm sorry to have to tell this to you since you seem very self-important!

Oh I See... the universe doesn't care... and you know this... because you are god? :eyepop: :thumbsup: :rofl: :lol: Yes you would make a good pencil-pusher. Just leave the innovation to the real men with real brains who are openminded enough to realise that they don't know everything. :lol: :confused2: