Crop Circles.

[toetoe]

After watching a small debate on the "Sunrise" morning show on tv this morning, got me thinking about (once again) these strange shapes in fields all around the world. I am one of those people in the undecided section of this on going topic. What do you think about it ?? Anyone seen one ?? :confuse3:

[ving]

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i am undecided too, but then i have to ask...
why the hell would an alien come here just to make pretty patterns in crops? :confuse3:

beats me!

[Hitchhiker]

I thought that the crop circle mystery had been solved years ago!

There was a famous case in Britain where crop circles appeared in a corn field. They got more and more elaborate as time went on and they set up camera and found the real culprits - a couple of guys having a bit of fun on a tractor!

I agree with ving - why would aliens come all the way to earth just to do a bit of Backyard Blitz in a corn field!

:lol:

[ballaratdragons]

Must be 'Crop Circle' week. I watched a Documentary on PayTV on the weekend about them.

They had a group of students go into a field at night and make crop circles and then had the UFO/Crop Circle/Research people come and investigate on the following day.

The 'experts' came up with 'fascinating' readings showing extra-terrestrial magnetic & electric disturbances and all sorts of whacky things to 'prove' it was Alien!

Meanwhile the Students and producers of the show where having a great chuckle!!!

[33South]

Whats the point of them, if they are messages you would need a fair sized dob to read them. :astron: (http://misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=4#)

Fun with tractors gets my vote.

[iceman]

Humans, imo.

Although the movie "Signs" with Mel Gibson was very good!

[square_peg114GT]

Seems people everywhere want to believe in some mythic/mysterious creature or occurence. Around here it's Sasquatch or Bigfoot. In Great Britain crop circles or the Loch Ness monster. What do you have down there in Oz for silly people to believe in?

[astroron]

In Queensland around a small town called Kilkoy( a good irish name ) they have a creature called a Yowie(yes thats what they call it) there is even a statue in the park, but some Yowzer keeps knocking of his willie so passers by dont know if its a male or female. astroron :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :lol:

[ballaratdragons]

We have the 'Yowie', Giant killer Wombats and Drop-Bears.

[ving]

world peace :(

[Striker]

Looks like the Aliens are getting flogged....just like the Australian Rugby league team....lol

[ving]

freedom of speech...
:(

[ving]

an end to poverty thru out the world...

[ving]

and finally, the bunyip :D

[jjjnettie]

As a resident of the Kilcoy district, I can confirm the existance of the Yowie. The Yowie in Yowie Park that is. They tried to cover his willy with a fig leaf once, but the kids nicked that. That is when the puritans of the town knocked off his willy.
As for the existance of a true Yowie?
He's probably an old hairy hermit that lives in a shack down at the creek. Sneaking into town at night to pinch a bit of food, and scare the locals.

I watched a doco ages ago. Two oldies in the UK showing how they made crop circles where they lived, using a metal gate to press down the stalks evenly.

[wavelandscott]

It is a long way to travel to leave a circle in a wheat field and then just leave...

[toetoe]

Not if it's in your own field. :lol:

[asimov]

In my area crop-circles were all the 'rage' back in the late 70s'-mid 80s' I've seen several personally.

[Itchy]

Oh, good grief.

Check out the humans who make these things

http://www.circlemakers.org/


I can't believe that some people still believe these things are not man made!
:ship1:
Cheers:cheers:

[square_peg114GT]

I believe in whirled peas. :)

[Itchy]

Very good :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[RAJAH235]

No such thing as 'free speech' in Oz. Not in our constitution.
Our own weird/strange/unanswered one..... how about the dreaded 'Big Black cat', that roams around the various NSW/Vic.??? country sides. :D L.

[Jonathan]

I don't think anyone has owned up to making the Maree Man yet, maybe that was aliens too :nerd:
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Stargate/5518/abman400.html
http://www.start.com.my/blog/?q=node/18

[cometcatcher]

I have crop circles in my backyard! Well okay grass circles. :P http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=3243

I dunno, I think MOST of them are made by bored persons with nothing better to do. I suspect SOME of them are made by natural phenomena. The UFO's make the rest. ;) :ship2:

[EddieT]

Though I believe the only vowel in Crop should be an 'a', I liked the plot of the Mel Gibson movie where the crop circles were signposts for an alien invasion.

Though it was a bit odd that the aliens themselves had no weapons or defences to speak of....

[ving]

:rofl:
:lol2:

you crack me up! :D

[asimov]

:scared: ..

[cahullian]

I'm going with the alien vote. Not because I beleive that's who made them. I just love the underdog. No matter who made them they look great and give people like us something new to vote on and have a blast chatting about them. Some of the english ones have been man made but what about the others around the world? Have they all been explained? Maybe some have been made as dead set hoaxes to cover for the real ones!! There are a lot of possibilities and we shouldn't discount them all just because a few are bogus.

Gazz

[janoskiss]

No no, no! They are aliens disguised as humans! :scared2:

[cahullian]

Asimov you have way too much time on your hands mate!! Keep up the good work. You should have your own tv show.

Gazz

[asimov]

Couldn't sleep so I had to do something to occupy myself!

[ballaratdragons]

The truth is out!

[asimov]

:sad: :scared: :confuse3:..

[Itchy]

Ok Gazz you tell me honestly then, what is the most likely cause of these things. Given that when the "experts" take their "energy measurements" they declare the proven hoax circles "genuine".

Most likely cause (about 99.99999%) : Human

Lots of fun :drink: :drink: :abduct::scared:

[ballaratdragons]

Actually, you will find the majority of them are made by Helicopter blades from Helicopters landing & taking off upside down. :nerd: chop, chop, chop!

[asimov]

Oh?? I usually drive a star dropper in somewhere & attach a piece of rope.....Go to the end of the rope, & start walking in 1 direction, taking small steps of course!....eventually you end up in the centre....pull dropper out, stamp in the middle a bit then leave.

But everyone has their own methods I guess!? ;)

[ballaratdragons]

Oh dear Asicircle,

Are you still doing it the old way?

Try the new quicker method. Go hire a Helicopter, fly to the paddock you want to make the pattern in, then flip the copter over. Watch the lovely patterns it makes.

Just ignore the fire, explosion, blood, guts etc. Small problems for the sake of 'Crop Circle Art'.

[asimov]

I must admit, your method is more efficient (apart from the mess to clean up after) but mine is cheaper! It's still the best method for the budget-minded..:confuse3:

[ballaratdragons]

Good point John.

But . . . is the Star Dropper an Alt/Az or an EQ? and do you use f5 or f8 rope?

Oh, and which Star is the best to Drop? :P

[asimov]

Uuuummm........I usually give the dropper a swift kick with me steel-capped boots to get it perfectly polar aligned 1st mate.....BTW seeing as were in the south, there IS no polar star!

I think you may have to attend 'BOB' & B1s star-camp there organising in 2006?? B1 is the local expert in polar aligning star-droppers....he'll show you the (f/12) ropes!!

[ballaratdragons]

OK Asi-squarepants.

Last time I tried the old method (your way) the Star Dropper had an 'SCT' (Slightly Crooked Top).
Then I hit my thumb and yelled 'Shmidt'. But luckily a young lady heard me yell and came along to help. I said 'what's your name?' She replied 'Cassy Grain'. She said the only way to correct the top of that post is with a 'Corrector Plate' but that would be 'secondary'. Then she said "The Primary problem is I don't know your name" So I introduced myself, "I'm Mr. Sutov, but you can call me Mac!"
To which she replied "Hi Mac Sutov".
She seemed like a nice young girl, I hoped she didn't work in the 'Red Light' district.
We stood back to get a better 'view' and to study the 'Magnitude' of the situation. It seemed the only way to get the dropper into the ground was to dig the ground up a bit. But we couldn't just jump in and do it, we had to 'Plan it' "Where's the Garden fork?" she asked. I told her it's in the Fork Mount next to the Ford Galaxy parked over near the 'Cluster' of sheds.
She asked if the old Ford was the overhead cam model. "No" I said, "It's the Two Cam model".
Then my dog started walking over for a pat. My dog is a collie, so I called out "come here Collie mate". Cassy said he is a nice dog, and asked if he is the only dog I have. "Yes" I replied. "I had another dog called Estron, but I had to sell him". She asked "why did you Sell Estron?" "Oh, he dug craters everywhere" I answered, "and once he even dug up my 'Canopus' plants".
Anyway, we had to 'Focus' on the task at hand and we returned to getting the Star dropper into the Earth.

.

[asimov]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :prey2: :prey2: :prey2: :prey2: Thank you asi-ken-ballarata-mov!!:lol:

As I back-out of this thread bowing, please accept my humble pic as a parting gift!.....:lol: We decided to try your way....IF B1 survives the maiden flight, we might even upgrade to a more expensive battery & add a rear rotor!

[ballaratdragons]

:nerd: :rofl: :stupid: :rofl:

[RAJAH235]

Nice one, Ken.:2thumbs: Got'im @ last......
Hey Asi, Where's the flames?????? :D L.

[ballaratdragons]

Thanks Laurie,

Yeah, he's getting harder to out-do! I love the B1 parachute!! :lol:

[asimov]

Oh BTW Ken? The guys wanna know if you would wanna add this pic to your astro-poster section at the star camp! (shameless plug, I know)......

[ballaratdragons]

Yep, tell 'the guys' it's OK! But the Naglers get left in my EP case not at the gate (for safety, you know!) ;)

[dugnsuz]

I'm in the undecided camp - but I'm certain of one thing the crop circles that have appeared overnight in areas of England certainly aren't manmade.
The famous Doug and Dave crop circle hoaxers of the early 90's (I think) could never have produced the intricate patterns which have us in awe.
I remember one serious study done by a German guy around the same time - he looked at histology of the corn, electromagnetic studies in the circles etc - very detailed real science. It concluded that the only explanation for the observed data was some sort of gravity wave!
I remember there was one story in the book about a night when the crop circle researchers repeatedly stumbled over British army patrols in the same area one night, and still with all this activity there was a magnificent crop circle in the field below them the next morning.
Maybe it's the British army!
Look, I don't know what the hell causes them or what they're about - I just like to look at 'em. Kind of like women!!!!! :)

Cheers all

Doug

[janoskiss]

The fact that the guy concluded the cause was "gravity waves" is proof that there was no science in what he was doing, just the art of con. For a gravity wave to cause even the slightest detectable movement in a blade of grass you'd need an enormous mass moving at tremendous speeds. Something like say replacing the nearby Alpha Centauri A & B double with a couple of black holes.

[ballaratdragons]

Here's the worlds biggest crop circle. I bet no-one can do this with a post in the ground and some rope!!! :thumbsup:

http://www.s-d-g.freeserve.co.uk/tunguska.html

[asimov]

Seriously.....I would LIKE to believe that extraterrestrials are doing this, but it's illogical to believe this. Therefore I don't. JMHO

[cometcatcher]

The hoaxers make it difficult. Even if 0.001 percent was unexplained it would be interesting to get to the bottom of the few real cases.

Think of it like this. Imagine if for every single true astronomy report there were 1000 fake, hoax and misleading reports. Something like that stupid Mars email thing times 1000! Where would astronomy be then? Even ONE bad report like that totally messes up most of the uninformed general public.

I've been exploring various aspects of the supernatural/paranormal, which has the same problem. It seems to attract lunatics and hoaxers like flies to rotten meat. Sifting through the balony takes some reading, careful thought, and sometimes preconceived ideas need a rethink!

[dugnsuz]

QUOTE: "The fact that the guy concluded the cause was "gravity waves" is proof that there was no science in what he was doing, just the art of con."

Maybe it wasn't gravity waves then!!!
From the tone of the post I hoped people would realise I was talking about a book I had read with a passing interest over 8 years ago - the real science I mentioned referred to the field work and follow up laboratory work he conducted on samples from the crop circles and not the theories formulated to explain this work.

Regardless of the people who stand up as "experts" in various fields, be it crop circles or astronomy. The beauty of these phenomena is undeniable.

All the best

Doug

[dugnsuz]

Nice site with pretty pictures and a history of when and where the various patterns were formed.

http://www.lovely.clara.net/history.html

Forget the cranks - compare the self confessed man made circles found at
http://www.circlemakers.org/ with the "unexplained" examples above.

Which ones hold your attention for longer?
Do all look man-made.
I know that when I'm aware a crop circle is man-made, I notice more flaws, less finesse to the curves and linear detail.
God only knows!

Doug :wink2:

[ballaratdragons]

I like the 'Hello Kitty' one. Definately made by Aliens that one!

It even looks like one of them.

[Xeelee]

Are Crop Circles ???? 'The Universe's Biggest Prank'

And aliens convese about how stupid we are on the 'uni-net' and that we are actually intrigued by these circles?

Well to this I say.......... oh, oh well (sigh)


PS. I do not believe in aliens

[Itchy]

Doug

Yes, all look man made. Like all man made things, some are made better than others.

The psuedo scientific/newage spiritual claptrap that goes along with it all gives me more to worry about than the circles themsleves.

Cheers

[Xeelee]

:P :P :P :P :P :P




Now I need a drink

:drink:

[cometcatcher]

Yes like Stonehenge they do bring them out of the woodwork.

I like this one.

[Itchy]

Yes, that is a nice one!

[Rodstar]

I voted undecided because there was no option to choose "natural phenomena". While I suspect some people have had some fun with some of them, I also suspect that there is some natural meteorological explanation for most of them. Definitely NOT alien.

[33South]

Hmmm radio mast top right.

Another thing its odd, unlike aliens, to my limited knowledge no one has actually reported seeing them appear.

[ballaratdragons]

Just browsing through this old thread and having a laugh at Asi's old B1 and SpongeBob stuff. Then I found post #41. Did I really write that!!! :lol:

Gee this thread was funny back in its day :lol:

[Satchmo]

If you search on the web you'll find sites by groups who made them for years , who have come clean. They'll give you all the instructions how to make a tool which flattens the wheat at the base. There is even 'crop circle designer ' software available.
Crop circles and aliens appeal to people who like to believe that there are beings visiting us who maybe have answers and solutions to our condition who might be ready to take responsibility for the situation, a kind of modern-day father `God' complex. Like astrology it is an industry without any substance but sells lots of books. I mowed a crop circle in my back yard one day to amuse my young nephew.:lol:

[ving]

ken, post #41 is gold! :D

[duncan]

Yep that one sure is!!:thumbsup:

[RAJAH235]

Here's one that is definitely 'man made', but with a completely valid reason.
I thought it turned out really well. Took a hell of a lot of setting out in such a short time too.
Firefox Rules.
:D L.

[ballaratdragons]

Aliens definately made this one!

It shows a flying machine!!! :lol:

[Adrian-H]

its allready known that most crop circles are produced by humans..

however there are afew that are within the unknown factor due to some odd circumstances in the structure's

eather the aliens started to make them, and then the humans started to copycat, or the humans just make them.

overall i would say that most of them are made by humans though.

[avandonk]

I think it is even worse than you all think. A mate of mine had his whole backyard crop completely dissapear overnight! They must have used lasers as there were only cleanly cut stalks left in the ground. What was amazing was the pattern left behind was in the shape of the crop! It is obvious that it was aliens as there could be no other explanation!

He did not think that gravity waves were involved but he kept muttering something about 'heavy man'.

I think that it is a bit like all these miracles of 'weeping' statues, if they are so powerful and knowledgeable cant they do a bit better than these pathetic manifestations.
Same goes for that twit with psychic powers, the best he could do was bend a few spoons!
I could go on but I have a 10GIG limit per month and I don't want to waste it.

Sad sad sad

Bert

If I have offended anyone it was purely intentional!

[AstroJunk]

The real answer is:

Natural: 0%
Aliens: 100%
People: 0%

I lived in Wiltshire (the crop circle epicentre) for years, and everyone made a tonne of cash out of the gullible fools who wanted to believe in ET! A decent crop circle earns the farmer UKP20,000 in entry fees to the land.

OO ARR THAR BEE LITTLE GREEN MENN BOI THART FIELD OER YONDER... THART'LL BE ONE POUND MOI LUVLEY!

One of the posters here was very close to the truth, but i'm not going to let on who 'cos that would spoil the fun!

[Outbackmanyep]

Crop circles are created by man......

You'd think if it was an intelligent being they'd do these things everywhere!
I cant believe that they even send uni students out to investigate these things!

Natural phenomena my @#$

Why does it only happen in England and the US, why not in China or Russia or South Africa etc etc.......

It'd take at least 2 people to do those shapes..........if aliens created them then Star Trek must be real too!

[dugnsuz]

I think there have been circles all over the world. Some have even reported snow circles!

Doug:thumbsup:

[joe_smith]

There are strange things that happen and most can be accounted for but some are totally unexplainable, and what people cant grasp they dismiss it. Many, many years ago the world was flat, every one said its flat but some said it was round . what happened they were put down as being mad hatters spreading untruths. Then we were at the center of the universe and it all revolved around us. Then someone said wait a minute we have a place in space and we are not the center of the universe. What happened to him? it nearly cost him his life. then some one said hey people get sick because of very tiny, so tiny you cant see them, but i know they exist and its living creatures doing it. but hey he was a crack pot to, but today we know different. The trouble today is still the trouble all these select people who were right in the first place had, ignorance and to discredit all that we cant explain.

Why cant the UFO phenomenon be real? all types of people have seen them even very highly train people see things they cant explain but know what they have seen was not man made or did things that we cant. There are 100's of verified on radar and confirmed by trained pilots visually at the same time cases to prove something is going on.

1000s of credible people see UFOs, but millions of people say they don't exist
millions of credible people believe that GOD exists, but no one has EVER seen him, her or it.

The truth is out there if you look ;)

[Outbackmanyep]

I wonder if its because some Alien "teenagers" pinched their mummy's spaceship and decided to do "crop circles" because they are bored !?:lol:

I guess you have to be open minded, but WHY is it only done in a wheat crop for? WHY in England and the US? Whenever i have been out pig hunting in wheat crops here i never see crop circles! I dont even hear about them being done here.....thats why i think its humans.....and the English media would report anything and everything if it sells newspapers.....


Im not saying UFO's aren't real....but the crop circles made by UFO's??....

[dugnsuz]

I love crop circles!
Whoever does them - keep em coming.
They are works of art.

[dugnsuz]

There are many who are under the impression that crop circles are only indigenous to the U.K. Sure, they are more prevalent here than elsewhere in the world, but there are countless examples of them appearing all over the world - in the USA from 1920, in Europe from the mid 20th century and in Africa, Canada, Australia, Central & Southern America, Russia in 1970, and Japan in the late 70’s.

...I got that from the internet!!!!!!
So it must be...(fill in the rest)

[ballaratdragons]

:eyepop: You mean STAR TREK ain't real !!!

:(
I'm gonna tell Santa on you!

[joe_smith]

strange orbs of light are believed to be the reason behind the crop circles. And funny enough orbs of light have been reported at sites that are reportedly haunted. So they might be caused by humans after all, just ones that have stopped breathing............ I have a dvd on crop circles and it shows a bright white orb of light moving along the ground. The people doing the filming were told of the formation in the crop by a local pilot. So they drive out to see it when they get there there are already two air force helicopters there. they are filming then you can see the orb of light moving about. funny thing is when the helicopter pilot knows there around, one of the helicopters buzzes them very close, to close to endanger the general public on a public road. They didn't want them there. If they are not real and made by jokers why are the air force checking them out and checking out the orb of light as well.

UFO's are not little green/grey men from space if they were then they wouldn't be UFO's as the U in UFO stands for Unidentified. ;)

One more thing most of the crop circles in England are near some type of ancient structure like stone mounds and stone hedge. and the crop formations have been going on for a very long time. Thats why they have these ancient markers there. I think the formations the real ones at least have something to do with the area they are in and not something coming to the area to make them. Star trek might not be real but Star gate might be:confuse3:

[dugnsuz]

I've re-looked at the sites I mentioned in post 54 - and I'm now amazed at the quality of the "man made" circles!! So, perhaps they were all man made after all! If so...Job well done chaps!!!
Keep up the good work, they're all very pretty!
Doug

[niko]

This is slightly off topic but I thought it was interesting none-the less

http://www.uforq.asn.au/casefiles/marree.html