Not another Windows!

[Tandum]

There's a new windows coming and the beta version is doing the rounds. It's labeled Windows 7 and looks a lot like vista when installed but all of the annoying popups etc are gone. It's also pretty quick but windows beta versions usually are. I'd guess it will be out next year sometime. :doh:

[deadsimple]

Yeah we'll see. "This version will be better, promise!" gets a bit tiring after seeing junk like Windows ME and Vista get released - with Vista being pretty much ignored by businesses and the I.T. industry as well as many hardware manufacturers. It does have some interesting features (love the hybrid Standby/Hibernate option) but many severe annoyances.

Microsoft sometimes do come up with some pretty cool ideas (innovation seems to be difficult for them, hence these ideas are rare), but for one reason or another they just get stripped out by the time the product is shipped - which is unfortunate.

But yeah as I said, I'll wait and see to see adoption when it's released. I hate nothing more than upgrading the OS to find out some very important devices aren't supported by the manufacturer under that OS.

[Ian Robinson]

Another downgrade ....

Another version of Windows I wont bother buying or installing.

[Kevnool]

Why am i still running on XP ?
Because its :
Nice.
Runs all.
Why downgrade to Vista when its not compatible with most programs.we are looking at 7 then the next version for the money grabbing(need a new mansion)people.
XP runs fine and i knew i was never going to downgrade to vista and the same goes with 7.
I will find seven reasons to hate it........cheers Kev.
Now

[AlexN]

I'll give it a fly in vmware at some stage... ( I give every OS I find a go at least once through VMware.)

It is funny.. the amount of people who whinge cry and argue about how crap microsoft operating systems are, and yet most of them still run windows... Hilarious.

Vista is fine.. Everyone cries and whinges... simple fact is that its not the same as XP which everyone is used to, and people simply do not like change. All of vistas annoyances can be disabled.. the pop-ups, the warnings etc.. they can all easily be turned off. It can be made to run very lean on lower power systems... And everyone seems to forget, in 2002 everyone was crying "windows xp sucks, its too power hungry, the interface is all weird, it does things I dont like" after 6 years of getting used to its differences to win98/me/2000 all of a sudden everyone loves it and hates the new kid on the block again...

History repeating.. again and again.

Everyone who does not like windows. download the distro of *nix of your choice and use it.. or stop complaining about windows. honestly if it really was THAT bad, you wouldnt be using it.

my 2c.

[Kevnool]

will 7 be like XP I hope so.
Thats the only way this fella will accept change then it comes back to the same question,Why change.
Sorry but with me if things work why change it.

[Omaroo]

:rolleyes: Whatever. LOL! Horses for courses I guess.

Yep Alex - I've found Vista to be extremely stable too, runs everything I need (except Canon drivers, which is Canons' fault, not MS) and is generally a pleasure to use on a decently fast machine with enough memory. Photoshop is a distict pleasure under Vista and a Quad Core processor - blindingly fast.

Is thee a link to W7 to try a beta or even alpha version under VirtualBox or VMWare?

I've turfed XP and in fact wont run it on my corporate network due to it's many vulnerabilities. Good riddance.

[Ian Robinson]

Well , you are entitled to spend your money how ever you like.

Personally , while XP is supported and keeps working OK on my computers and supports my devices and apps , I'll stay with it.

I'd rather update my HDDs on my notebook (getting near 80% full) and on the desktop , and maybe upgrade the motherboard and chipset in both to a Quadcore since I'm still running a 3GHz Pentium 4 in the notebook and a 3.4GHz Pentium 4 in the desktop.

[Tandum]

Mininova (http://www.mininova.org/search/?search=windows%207) have a few torrents for it and a 64bit version has appeared there as well. You should get a month out of it before it stops. I put it on a new machine I have here and it installed vista drivers off the mobo disk no problem and idles with AVG installed at 500meg of ram used. Amazingly there are updates for it already in Windows Update. But again, beta versions are always miles away from released versions. Looks like a Jun 2009 release date.

[AlexN]

Chris, agreed.. I think most people problem with vista is that they are attempting to run it on fairly outdated machines... I have a quad core + 8gb ram and dual graphics cards in my system.. whilst this is not the average system by any means, its still by no means cutting edge hardware.. I made the move from my dual core to this system nearly 8 months ago...

Even my dual core 3ghz + 4gb RAM had NO issues with vista.

Isnt PS CS3 a dream with 8gb of ram though... Absolutely amazing.

Robin : I'll get onto both and see how they go... 64 and 32 bit...

[vindictive666]

i think i might have mentioned that windows 7 was coming out a few weeks ago


like some one said here before if youre happy why change it ?
keep up with anti virus and adaware:

besides ive read that pc,s running 64bit have major problems getting 64bit software to run on Vista (Vista 64bit) so go figure :)

ive been running xp pro like for ever no probs :)

i could upgrade to vista but i dont care for just an upgrade

rather have a full version (dollars though :( )
waste of time anyhoo because of windows seven coming out in 2010 i think ?

there will allways be people for and against
never had much luck with running beta software :(

my 5cents lol

regards john

[deadsimple]

I've got a fast enough system with plenty of ram. But I do a bit of hardware/software development and not all of the drivers and software required for that is supported under Vista (examples: here (http://www.prolific.com.tw/eng/downloads.asp?ID=31), and here (http://libusb-win32.sourceforge.net/)), so it's a complete show-stopper for me.

In fact Vista x64 requires mandatory signing of drivers, making it a problem for some open-source projects as many don't have the resources (financial or time) to jump through Microsoft's hoops to get digital signatures, even though their drivers are rock solid and work fine in Vista x64 in development/debug mode.

Call all of this the developer's fault, Microsoft's fault, whatever - it makes no difference to me who to blame as an end-user/developer. Bottom line is it prevents me from doing what I want to do (hardware/software development), so I stick to XP until the situation improves.

Simple as that :)



Even though I haven't been a fan of a few of Microsoft's products, I think that's a bit of a negative and biased opinion considering the final version isn't out yet for people to judge.

[Ian Robinson]

True , and an another very good reason NOT to downgrade to Vista or 7 when it comes out. I am happy with my old Dell notebook , and would rather upgrade it's HDD and motherboard and chipset and STAY with XP Pro.
Similarly for the desktop, though the HP desktop has proven to be a real dog , it's actually slower than my Dell (go figure).

Now if I happen to leave the computer plugged in and powered up while an electrical storm is overhead and it get's fryed .... tempting .... that's another story as I guess the replacement the insurer will off load on me will probably be a quadcore and I'll be stuck with what ever OS comes on it's HDD.

[AlexN]

heh.. you're never stuck with the OS supplied by the manufacturer... Just format and install what you want..

[Ian Robinson]

I can't recall MS ever releasing an OS that wasn't buggier than hell on release , the reason why I waited for XP Pro SP2 to make the jump from 98.

I see no reason to expect 7 to be any different to past releases , and I am certainly not interested in lining MS's and Gate's pockets or subsidizing them by a long shot.

[miketheobscure]

On matters new - saw my first USB 3 socket last week, on a Dell laptop.

(I like Vista).

- mike

[g__day]

I had alot of trouble finding 64 bit Canon drivers online, and Canon tech support where useless, Canon Research (CiSRA) however pointed out the blindingly obivious...

Go Start -> Settings -> Printer and Faxes -> Add printer (select your model etc)

It worked brilliantly - so simple and so over-looked!

Hope this works for you!

[Tandum]

I'm pretty sure he is talking about canon camera drivers.

I've found this windows will only see vista machines via windows networking, it won't see server 2003, xp or samba machines and I've tried every hack going. Then again xp machines don't show up in vista machines network view either without hacking the registry. You can manually connect shares just fine but the media side of it can't scan directories it doesn't see it in the network view.

They have screwed that on purpose I'm sure to make people upgrade, just like office 2007 and the docx bull****.

Big plus for me is media center ... it totally revised and really rocks ... if only it could see files on my other machines :) Wait for the release version I guess.

[Omaroo]

Matt & Robin - thanks for the advice. I totally forgot to get back afterwards. :whistle:

The fix was to change the camera from "PC Connection" to "Print/PTP". Vista picked it up straight away with the need to load ANY drivers. I connect to the machine and immediately Adobe LightRoom fires up and sucks the images down - no need for that horrible Canon software at all.

Vista really is superb in the way it handles the hardware abstraction layers. That's the Canon AND Nikons that I have taken care of - plug and play. No driver downloads, nuffin'. :thumbsup:

[Glenhuon]

I tried Vista for a week once, had it installed on a spare HDD. Wasn't too happy with it so put it aside for a while. When the first SP came out gave it another spin and it was much improved but still running XP on all the machines here. XP was the same on first release, but as OEM manufacturers caught up, things improved. So will it be with Vista.
Guys, there are "technicians" out there who have never seen anything but windows, MSDOS, whats that ? :)

Bill

[garymck]

Got Vista on a new laptop, (Acer 5920 - cost after cash back $849 plus another $50 to upgrade to 4 gigs ram- yeah I know it wont access it all but I just hate empty slots) ran it for a while hated it. Hunted up drivers etc and installed xp.What do you know? XP wasn't any faster than Vista!! in fact in many ways XP seemed clunkier. As I had installed it as a dual boot I kept switching around and testing, trying to find a reason to stay with XP. Unfortunately I couldn't. After switching of all the eye candy in Vista, it actually seemed faster than XP!!! (mind you this was the SP! version of Vista) ALL my programs worked in Vista....so I got rid of XP and went back to Vista......

Now all I have to do is continue to figure out where Vista puts everything and remember which directoris are dummies for program compatibility.

cheers
Gary

[Tandum]

Vista spent 5 minutes copying a 350meg video file to my samba server today.

That should have taken 30 seconds. Vista networking sux the big one IMHO.

[wraithe]

If you have an xp system in your network and a vista system, then that will stuff the network up, you have to set ipv4 instead of ipv6 like what vista uses by default...dont ask why, had a friend have probs and i did the research and found that out...
ps, ensure your samba server is set for ipv6 as well...I cant remember the line of code but if you left it to default it should have ipv6...

I never have problems with windows, i move the latch and open it, if the breeze blows its cool, if it dont and the sun is hot, then its hot...But for a pc, i prefer linux...
What turned me completely off windows, when i started logging how much was getting done and how much time was spent working on security and keeping windows running clean, and yeh people still dont believe how quick my little lappy was with windows...
Now i actually get bored with the laptop, only thing i do is use it, no security stress, nothing breaking in the os and so boring, no antivirus or registry protection...
and yes everything works, as i add something, i get it working and it stays working unless i mess with it...

someone said about vista being totally different, a friend of mine has vista looking exactly like xp, in fact it had me fooled for about 5 minutes, till i started looking, and yes it was vista....worked the same as xp and was quite quick, but then thats also his trade(windows tech)...He done an install from scratch and only put in the best of what he knew was good, left all the inflation out....:P

[Tandum]

Wraithe, you don't have your facts straight. There is no ipv6 on the Internet. There are no routers that can handle it and there are no DHCP servers dishing out IP addresses for it. It is the next generation of IP addressing but it is currently not used at all. Get a dos box going on your machine and type 'ipconfig' for windows or 'ifconfig' for linux. You will see only ip4 addresses, nothing else.

For others, ip6 is a 32bit addressing scheme for the Internet while ip4 is the current 16bit method. The 32bit method will square the number of available ip addresses.

[wraithe]

IPv4 is 32 bit and IPv6 is 128 bit...


Microsofts technote on IPv6
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/network/bb530961.aspx


Disabling IPv6 in Vista
"""
By now, you have probably heard that Windows Vista features a dual stack, which allows it to run IPv4 and IPv6 simultaneously. Although Vista isn't the first Windows operating system to support IPv6 (I think Windows 2000 may have been the first), it is the first Windows OS to have IPv6 enabled by default. The fact that IPv6 is enabled by default in Vista, combined with the notion that almost nobody is really using IPv6 (yet), raises the question: Why not just disable IPv6?

"""
http://searchnetworking.techtarget.com/tip/0,289483,sid7_gci1267038,00.html

I'll leave the links to do that explaining...

[Tandum]

Yes you're right ip6 is 2\128 not 2\32.

[Quack24]

Hey Guy's id just like to say the blokes and i at the computer store are currently testing the beta version of Windows 7 the torrent of Mininova (http://www.mininova.org/search/?search=windows%207) is only the pre-beta, i have to admit win7 is actually the most promising of the lot it is true that the beta versions are generally way off (well for microsoft always off) but tust me this one will be much better than vista. and yes it will have backwards capabilities. the reason the pre-beta runs faster is because the graphics is not all there but the amount of memory that win7 uses without graphics is substantially lower than vista. it is about the same a xp's beta. ill keep you posted when more information come in the the shop. and with the avg thing i dont know why it hanged becausewe use avg on all of our test computers and win7 is fine with it no haning or anything

[higginsdj]

My only issue with Vista is that Microsoft has chosen to make all my PC usage decisions for me and I'm no longer allowed to make my own decisions (unless I go hunt down and turn off all the features that MS turned on by default)