school making me get a haircut

[caleb]

the school i go to is a private school and they want me to get a haircut.:(
im male
the girls are aloud long hair
males arent aloud jewelery either (seems prety sexist)
they say its part of the uniform (i ask them to show me this writen next time they ask)
above collar
they told me a few i times to get a haircut and several time i did but i didnt do it right away and i still argued with them.

I though you people could help me with this as many of your display pictures have you with long hair and you may be a 'hippies' wich is fine with me but i want long hair becuase i like METAL as in music and i dont want to perfom on stage with short hair.:rockband:
They cant control my outside life:party:. Yeah sure, a tie can be easily placed on and off but i dont mind wearing a tie, iv never walked home with it on though.
So... any tips

[Omaroo]

Get a wig and learn to spell :lol:

I feel for you. I was told the same thing at school back in 1974.

[caleb]

yeh, me lernin to spl at skewl:thumbsup:

[Starkler]

Yep, don't fight it because you wont win :whistle:

[GeoffW1]

Hey Caleb,

I don't rate your school as being a very good one, I think they are worrying about improving the wrong thing altogether in your case ;).

Now to the point, get the minimum haircut you think you can put up with yourself, and take the receipt in to show school. If it is still no good, pick out the longest haircut around school including male staff and say "Well how about that style".

You should know that grown men get told to get haircuts on the job every day (cops, machinists, cooks, biological lab staff etc) so it isn't unusual.

I have to tell you the sad news, school is a protected environment, the world is a lot harsher than your experience, where you just don't ever get whatever you want whenever you want it. And yeah, I am an old fart (60) but I was in a rock band for many years and I do remember.

Lotsa Luck, you have at least got spirit :hi:

[GeoffW1]

Hey,

Wait a bit here, I just thought of something else.........how good are we all at speeling :scared:generally???

Chhers

[dugnsuz]

Go Henry Rollins style!

[leon]

Gee mate you are lucky you didn't go to school in my day, getting a hair cut was minor, if you didn't wear full uniform to and from school, and wear your cap, you were just about expelled and got six of the best across the arse just for good measure.

I see a lot of young students these days and very few look like they are proud of their uniform, and/or their college they go to, standards have really dropped, i reckon.

So get a hair cut, and get over it. PS you can still enjoy your Heavy Metal with short hair

Leon

[Karls48]

I went thru same thing in sixties in the high school and in the college. You better learn one think early. If you don’t conform, life is not going to be easy. I never did and I don’t regret it, but that’s up to you.

[GrahamL]

LOL ..funny post caleb :thumbsup:

haircuts don't hurt much and they never remove whats underneath
good luck with the music ...And mate .. one thing ..never trust a hippy:)
http://www.jamiereid.uk.net/home.html

[[1ponders]]

If you have to get a hair cut then at least try to set a trend ;)

Keep within the rules, but make the rules work for you. How about getting your hair colour changed and then going for short dreds like Loti Takiri or Andrew Symonds and then if the PTB (powers that be) complain point them out as ambassadors.

[Zuts]

Go for a protest and get it all shaved off :), but tell your mum and dad first :eyepop:

Paul

[AstralTraveller]

Caleb,

You nearly had my sympathy then, until that admission about metal :P. Actually I used to get into Purple, Sabbath etc until some (6-12month) older and wiser astronomers turned me onto Yes, Crimso, early Floyd etc. And the hair length didn't have to change!

The problem you have is of course very common; I even recall seeing footage of the Beatles being told to get a haircut, and they were only mop-tops at the time.

In my case they wanted about 3/4 of the male student population to get a haircut (and about the same proportion of the female cohort to get a longer skirt). The weight of numbers of course gave us a great advantage. It was impossible to punish that many miscreants at the same time and if they tried to pick you off in small groups it would be years before your turn came around. So, is it only you or do you have allies? You can try the 'why should I when his is so long?' line. Also, what real leverage do they have? I certainly wouldn't miss any school over the issue but I might have tolerated some lesser punishments. Also, where do your parents stand? I actually copped it worse at home than at school (boy could mum nag), but my parents wouldn't have supported any 'over the top' punishment. I also kept some heat off me by being academically pretty good and otherwise well behaved.

So how much longer do you have to put up with the hassle? Probably looks like a long time to you but nearly nothing to us more senior contributors :D. After that you'll be free to grow it as long as you want for as long as you want. That likely means about 10 years. By then you will find it /too hard to care for/always in the way/a disaster on windy days/too hot in summer/a pain in bed/ and get it cut of your own free will. Such is life.

[Ric]

Since when did short hair make you get a better education. :shrug:

When I was at public school I always had long hair, earrings, a ponytail and a full beard by my 17th birthday (and not bumfluff either), not one teacher even gave a stuff, they were more concerned with my education

I went on and did a BSc in Geology at the ANU and my hair was a crewcut compared to some of my lecturers. I have always remained a hippy at heart but with a love of science and yes the two can coexist ;)

Private schools seem to think they have some sort of responsibility to determine how society should think and act and charge you a fortune to prove their point rather than get on with the job in giving you a decent education.

I think I turned out pretty well, I have worked as a geologist for many years and now work as an Admin & IT manager at the Canberra Hospital and still with a ponytail, earrings and a beard allthough they are a bit greyer than it used to be. I'm also a member of the NSW RFS and no one seems to care one iota what I look like when we are fighting a fire, just how well we do our job.

By the sounds of it you probably won't win against the old farts but if you go to Uni they wont give a stuff either way.

Best of luck Caleb and stick with the metal Dude.

[skeltz]

Yeah it,s a bummer but.. you don,t want short hair ,but you can,t spell,ironic.
Look i rebelled against society for 2 decades ,and i fought the law and the law won{i should make that a song!!}:doh:Plus it cost me a #**%# load of money which ended up with the government ##%^***#holes!!
Look mate life is pain get over it ......all the best...cheers:evil:

[turbo_pascale]

Don't throw stones..... a comma and an apostrophe are not interchangeable.
:rofl:

[Dog Star]

G'day Caleb and commiserations my young friend. Hard to believe that this sort of crap is still going on. I'm in my 50's now but have a long full beard and long hair in a pony tail (and I don't mind a bit of metal myself.) The thing is though that at my public high school, we were all comdemned to short hair styles. Yes, it's stupid. Yes, it's pointless. But you won't be at school forever. Let the silly narrow minded old fogeys have their day today; they obviously need it. Tomorrow and the future belong to you and that time is coming quicker than you think. Best wishes for the future.

[Jeff]

Suggest you consider getting a sex change.
I did a Goggle for you, and came up with the following site.
http://www.soyouwanna.com/site/syws/sexchange/sexchange.html

Cheers

[montewilson]

Hair is a privilege not a right.

I went to hard ass boarding schools for 10 years and it did me the world of good. When you get out of school you can choose to have long hair.

Until then get over it. You will be out of school before you know it and while you may not be cool with short hair you'll probably have a job and people will respect you and not assume you're a bum or a shoplifter.

If you want I'll cut it for you for free. I've never cut hair before but hey I'm always interested in the personal development of our youth.

Smile, at least your olds want to send you to a good school.

[Lee]

Wise advice.... One day (not too far off either) you will be thankful for all these damn adults making you do all these things against your will.....

[OneOfOne]

Ah the decisions of youth! I remember people saying "if you have long hair you will get nits" (they actually prefer short hair). "Why should we have to wear a uniform, teachers don't" (that was a really dumb one).

When I was at school I had the old "short back and sides" at the time (60's and 70's). I guess if you can have what you want when you are young, there is nothing to aspire to when you get older, leave school, get a job...a mortgage...etc.

My hair at the moment is the longest it has ever been (over the collar) and still growing (after 12 months, such hard work). I have been asked by a number of people why I am growing it, and I usually say to them "because I can" (not so much to do with "allowed" as having something to grow). Being a programmer, I think you need to grow a pony tail at some time in your life! I guess I had three alternatives: the blonde bimbo (my wife wouldn't appreciate that), the red sports car (my wife would insist on driving it) or long hair (she the one that suggested it) so being an idependent person, I did the one that would cost the least :D

As regards your hair, you could fight if you want, but you probably won't win..."compromise is the art of good business" (heard this recently from a guy with shocking hair :)) so maybe try compromise...I think they would go more psycho if you shaved it all off, but don't forget the sun block :)

[Omaroo]

It was mentioned before - thank your lucky stars your parents have the good sense to send you to a private school rather than a public school run by our (hopelessly inept) incumbent state government. Apart from the unavoidable bent on religion you'll be put through, whether you choose to believe in it or not, your education there should put you in reasonable stead for what's ahead of you.

I went to a public school back in the 70's and it was arguably the best in the state - North Sydney Boys High School. It was a selective school and you had to prove yourself to gain entry. I drive past the school these days and all I see are run-down buildings and louts hanging around with their shirts out, jeans instead of trousers and attitudes to match. A real shame and a blight on current politics. If I'd "argued" with my teachers over anything I would have been suspended if not expelled. You guys have it WAY too easy nowadays. LOL! You shouldn't have the right to arue with anyone yet - learn, gain experience and life knowledge and maybe then you could argue a point without sounding like you know it all (which I hear all kids do these days).

Good luck with the band, and don't let all the negative comment here get you down too much - it's called the "generation gap" - and we, too, suffered it as kids. (All better now as we can do the same to you! ;) )

[Miaplacidus]

Germaine Greer in the Female Eunuch pointed out that the youth who claims that his hair length is irrelevent is being deliberately disingenuous. You want long hair for some reason, and that reason is at least partly because of the impact it has on others. To say otherwise is a lie. Your school agrees that your hair length impacts on others, and they have an opinion about what impact their students should be able to have on others. Frankly, I don't care, but make it your business to be honest with yourself, and get intelligent. Sure, schools are a fascist regime, but they are also a good place to acquire wisdom and intelligence. Your choice.

[matt]

There most likely will come a day when you would dearly love to have enough hair to get it cut!!!:rofl:

Don't sweat it.

Find a good hairdresser...get the chop....have a laugh parading your new 'do' around....think about the bigger picture.

They can 'order' you to cut your hair, but they can't change who you are.

Attitude is about so much more than your hair!!;)

[fringe_dweller]

tell 'em long hair is your antenna to the universe, and you need to keep in touch, and the longer the better reception :D dont laff i've known people who strongly believe that :P or you could convert to sikh and hide it under a turban? fight the power!

[Dennis]

I can’t add much other than to write I have really enjoyed the many and varied replies so far – what a fascinating community we are; an incredible melting pot of people with views, experiences and advice that whilst diverse, are none the less quite warming and certainly illuminating.

Thanks!

Dennis

[Satchmo]

I think I would rather be assumed to be a bum or shoplifter...than give the shallow stereotypers of this world the satisfaction of thinking they actually knew me :)

[ausastronomer]

Sound advice Monte.

It's all about the education of turning a youth into an adult and preparing them for entry into the real working world. Countless times I employ youths in the 18 to 22 yr old age bracket who are great at maths and science yet have the common sense of a lizard, because they dont teach those things at school.

[quote]Since when did short hair make you get a better education.[quote]

Ric,

Getting an education is more than just maths and science. Discipline is a learned skill not an inbred one. It's good that the school still tries to instill some discipline into the kids. The public school system sadly lacks this.

Caleb,

If you go to the school I think you do, which is where my son goes, Central Coast Grammar, it's costing your old man about $15+ large a year after tax. You should be very grateful that he wants to give you the best start to life he can instead of worrying about playing with your organ or whatever you play, which necessitates long hair. You could leave school and play music thus saving your old man a packet. Be very thankfull you have what you have. 95% of kids your age would give their left arm to have what you have, yet you are dissillusioned and resentfull?

GROW UP maybe ? Sorry son no sympathy here, you don't realise how lucky you are.

Cheers,
John B

[fringe_dweller]

look at this hairy lout :rolleyes: :whistle:

i agree with the others mate, it wont seem such a big deal one day, in fact you wont even remember school after a while lol, then one day eventually you dont remember anything at all! i hope this helps! . I rememebr having the humiliation of a bowl cut, as that was the only long haircut i was allowed to have at one stage, very strict parents, i'm glad i have short hair in this heat tho! and i dont miss split ends - couldnt do anything with it!

[Satchmo]

Caleb, Learning to think clearly and freely for yourself is all that counts. You will eventually overcome the adversity of having to attend a private school...

You might enjoy a few appropriate epithets from Oscar Wilde:

"Education is a wonderful thing, provided you always remember that nothing worth knowing can ever be taught.

The old believe everything; the middle-aged suspect everything; the young know everything." hehe

[JimmyH155]

It's all to do with disclipline, me old china, you go to that school, they have rules, you have to obey them. Otherwise tell your parents to send you to a state school, and save their money for a telescope for you.
Long hair gets into your eyes, contains bugs, looks scruffy, makes your hat not fit any more. Do the right thing, look smart. As long as you dont go the other way and have it all cut off. Young bald men look awful - are they all on chemo?? :shrug:

[caleb]

yes, i will gt over it. but if i dont till im 30 mi gonna be walking into airline interviews looking like a bum trying to be an airline captain, yes, thats what i wana do so my chance at long hair is now. dont mind the spelling!:doh:

[Dennis]

Don’t forget…you are not your hair; cutting your hair does not cut, nor reduce you.

Discipline and order are good; we would be in a pickle if the Sun, being lazy one day, decided not to “rise”, or our heart decided not to beat. Rules and clockwork habits can sometimes appear petty, but they bring stability and certainty.

Breaking free is also good; limits are there to be challenged, but challenged with wisdom, as even angels’ fear to tread where fools blindly rush in. Rules can sometimes stifle and smother – so breaking out brings new insights and liberation from stagnation.

But, the more we look at a small part of our larger self, the greater it becomes; thinking about your hair too much and with a disproportionate amount of energy, magnifies the problem, perhaps making it an ogre, thus diminishing you; making you less than who you are. Your hair is but a small part of you, not the whole shebang. Focus on what you have and all of who you are, not what you look like or the local fashions that are tissue thin and forever change.

When you were born you didn’t have hair; at 60 you may also not have it. Yet there is still you – that is what is more important and worthy of a greater investment in yourself.

By the way, isn’t this stuff we also call hair actually “dead”?

Cheers

Dennis

[skwinty]

Being a pilot and later an airline pilot requires discipline and obedience to set rules and regulations. Failure to comply results in the death of yourself and your passengers. If you cannot accept discipline and rules at this stage of your life how do you expect to cope with them later on in life.
My advice , if aviation is want you really want as a career, is forget about all the long hair and trendy music. Concentrate on science and mathematics.
Above all keep visualising yourself as a successful airline captain, work hard at your studies and those dreams will come to fruition.:thumbsup:

[Glenhuon]

Don’t forget…you are not your hair; cutting your hair does not cut, nor reduce you.

Unless your middle name is Samson ;)

Bill

[gman]

Sounds like everyone here is working for the man.
Well I say stick it to the man.
Tell eveyone you have changed religion.
You are now a Sikh
Get yourslf a turbin wrap your hair up and telll them to build a bridge and get over themselves

[Bassnut]

LOL, Ive done the long hair at school, played Metal (still do, a bit), et al. Wanna do Metal full time?, keep the hair, wanna real job?, lose it. Life aint "fair", go with the Man or fight him, and sacrifice pride or money. I tell you one thing for sure, dont do the hair thing for too long, its that simple, theres nothing sadder than a wannabe 40+ yr old rock star (and all that goes with it) with long hair that "nearly" made it, ive met sooo many losers like this in my time.

[Lee]

10 years after high school - who is the coolest?? Probably not the guys who were the coolest at high school! They are now working for the nerds!

[omnivorr]

..well, everything from philosophy to felatio.. opined from ivory towers and nod'n'winked from fellow travellers with their feet on the ground.

every 2 or 3 yrs I shave my head.. but not my beard.. and each time there's less to be shorn ..'specially on top.. so now it doesn't get to "metal" lengths anymore, but still enuff to provoke "ya hippie" jeers from young and old alike.. you know the ones.. gettin' a good tan on their anally-inserted heads... own the world and God-appointed arbiters of everything.. One can see why technology has failed to liberate us from war and famine, stupidity and arrogance... mindset.. hursuit or glossy.. "It's ALL in the MIND y'knoww"!!

(Ave Spike Milligan)

Cheers
Russ

[skeltz]

Me myself i always have a crew cut ,because :i am lazy
i don,t have to wash it
and i do not have to comb it
It,s great not being a slave to fashion!!
Hair or no hair is irrelevant, it is what you do in life.
unfortunately only 2 things are certain in life,and that is :MANS STUPIDITY AND MANS GREED>

[madtuna]

I do my dog and my own head at the same time with the same clippers..it's only hair

[Dennis]

No one works for the man – each one of us is da man, isn’t that the beauty of it!;)



I’ve a feeling that even those in ivory towers are travelling on a path – so let’s not exclude them from the journey, in our haste to arrive!:whistle:

Cheers

Dennis

[madtuna]

isn't there some old proverb about "I complained cause I had no hair until I met a man who had no head"
something like that..or it might have been shoes lol

[fringe_dweller]

you've been watching saxondale havent you :) why do assume they are sad these losers? they can afford the best equipment available, and will undercut the young just to get a gig, dad bands rule buddy! hehe
anyway i find that view as plainly ageism pure and simple, that once you've reached 30, you are no longer capable of playing an instrument, even for enjoyment! coz thats what it is really all about in the end, and it is very cheap fun at times

SENIORS ROCK!

i agree with those say first be the man, and then when you're 40, bring it down from within - like merchant bankers do

and Lee thats right ther're all working for the council :thumbsup: :shrug:

[Dog Star]

Well Caleb, you've certainly stirred the pot with this one. Seems that everyone has an opinion, and quite rightly too. AND it's a Hell of a lot more interesting than the smoker/non smoker thread. Reading some of the posts though has made me wonder why no one has yet claimed that long hair rots your kidneys or sends you blind. There's an old saying - The difference between people with tatoos and the people without tatoos is that people with tatoos don't give people without tatoos a hard time about it. Cheers!

[AstralTraveller]

Yep, interesting thread isn't it?

It certainly has informed me about who I'd like to spend on obs night with - or a cloudy night. And Caleb is invited.

I must say I'm a bit amazed at the 'if you have long hair you must...' assertion. In the 70s when recent long hair fashions were only a decade old (look at Sir Isaac et al for older examples) you could explain the misconceptions as ignorance. How do you explain it 30+ years later? Slow learners??

I'm writing this while listening to Jan Akkerman's Aranjuez. Now who would have thought that some 'long hair' who plays electric guitar screamingly fast with all the FX would have the *discipline* to play classical guitar with an orchestra. You just can't judge a book by its cover, can you?

[Starless]

Caleb,
This is an age old problem.
The same people who will tell you don't judge a book by it's cover are judging you by your cover.
Don't give in!!!
The law says you must attend school up to a certain age so they
can't throw you out permanantly no matter what they threaten.

You must however be prepared to fight this bigotry for the rest of your life though because it does not stop when you leave school.

It can get you down at times.

It wont always be the length of your hair but it will always
be just as trivial and stupid.

Have confidence in yourself and always seek the company
of people that judge you by your deeds not your hair style.

Believe me anyone who is going to condem you on the basis
of the length of your hair are a waste of DNA.

I can't spell either, so what!!!

[skwinty]

You only made 2 spelling errors in that long message.
Better than Calebs record!:rofl::rolleyes:;)

[Sonia]

There's worse schools than yours. Its only hair long or short it don't matter.

At my school, if we didn't have appropriate uniform, shoes we had to go home and come back properly dressed!

[Sonia]

Looked like a good little poem

[Starless]

Poetry, moi??
You flatter!

[AstralTraveller]

Plus a few punctuation errors. That's cool. His handwriting is worse.:fight:

[Starless]

Starting to feel like I'm back at school having an essay marked.

Do I need to start recalling some of my creative excuses for not
wearing my tie?

[Dog Star]

Hah! At my school we used to have to get up an hour before we went to bed and lick the parade ground clean, and if we didn't have a uniform, they used to kill us! (Monty Python, anyone?):rofl:

[Starless]

Luxury!!!!!!
There were 150 of us living in shoe box in middle of road.
Worked 29hrs a day at mill for tuppence every 6 months.....
Python? Any time.

[skwinty]

Nope, just get a haircut and a real job!:rofl::rofl::rofl::lol::rofl::r ofl::rofl:

[AstralTraveller]

"Those are sheep aren't they?"

"Aye"

"So that's why they all have short hair and wear ties."

[Starless]

Have not had a hair cut since 1980 something, not about to start!!

Got a real job, employer is more interested in whether I can do
the job, hair length is irreleveant, does not affect my ability to
manage a computer network, or compile C code, or design and
implement a relational database, etc etc.

I am however aware that I am extreemly fortunate to have found
such an enlightened employer.

[Starkler]

Those kids that get have a decent haircut.... nail em up! nail some sense into them!

[Starless]

Its people like you what cause unrest.
(Terry Jones)

[skwinty]

I had long hair for 7 years, down to my backside. Also had a real job at a Nuke Power Station.
The top brass always used to ask when was getting a haircut and my reply was always when I get a real job. Forget which song those words come from.
Now that my hair is short i must be honest and say I dont miss it at all.
Especially when sleeping as invariably the pony tail would get trapped somewhere and when you roll over you almost break your neck, Not to mention all the other hassles and tribulations. I have thick strong hair. My pony tail is in my cupboard in a plait that is about 65cm long.
Now if you have thin weak hair and balding on top then I guess you have a puny tail which may not be a hassle at all.
Perhaps we should start new thread for pics of all the long and short haired aging hippies. Thank god I never wanted to be a pilot.:lol:;)

[Starless]

So long and thanks for all the fish.

[JimmyH155]

Mind you, long hair isnt always bad.... Look what happened to poor old Samson who fell for that bit of crumpet - Delilah - who got his secret about his strength out of him...Off comes his hair one dark night, the Philistines capture him because he has lost all his strength, and make him blind. but HA HA, he has the last laugh because his hair grows back again , and he eventually pulls the temple down on top of himself and also 3000 Philistines. so I wouldn't risk taking ALL my hair off:lol: Might be an each way bet to just settle for a medium hair cut.

[caleb]

I'v been flying aeroplanes for two months, i'v been playing guitar for over 6 years. And i'v liked metal as long as I can remember, but private schools have terrible music programs and their all into this 'satanic' garbage that goes along with metal.

[coldspace]

Caleb,
I know what you are going through and you seem to be taking a bit of a bashing from some of the people here but the reality is private schools want you to have a hair cut. I went to an average state school and my wife went to a strict private school. Most of my mates from school had long hair and got tat's and now 15yrs later most are owning and running million dollar buisness including myself. We are having a 15yr school reunion in 2 weeks and I was talking to the organisers and we were amazed at how many are running their own companies. My wife and her friends all went onto uni and are very succesful in their own right. The moral of the story is you will get out of life what you are prepared to put in and hair makes no difference. So don't let people put you down because you want long hair, just that if the school rules include short hair and your parents send you there, then I don't think you can win on this one mate. Just remember go through with it, then when you make your first million, grow long hair and show them what its all about ;).

Matt.

[skwinty]

hi Caleb
If I may ask, how old are you and how many years do you have left at this school?
My point was if you aspire to be an airline pilot then surely the hair and music is not really that important to your life. Sure you can play guitar and whatever music you like but you do that in your private time. As far as the choice of music is concerned, that is personal preference. At the end of the day classical music training can make you a better musician whatever music you play.
You mention that you have been flying for 2 months.What aircraft do you fly and have you gone solo yet?
There is a big difference between a private pilot licence and a commercial transport pilot licence. I'm sure that you realise this.
If i was in your shoes I wouldnt let the hair and music issue cloud my judgement. I would concentrate on getting the required grades and getting out of the school as quickly as possible.
Nil illegitimum carborundum
(Latin for "Dont let the *******s grind you down") :thumbsup:

[coldspace]

Well put, Skwinty.

Matt.

[Kokatha man]

How poor and sad.....

[skeltz]

KOKATHA MAN next time you quote me quote the whole message.IE

Me myself i always have a crew cut ,because :i am lazy
i don,t have to wash it
and i do not have to comb it
It,s great not being a slave to fashion!!
Hair or no hair is irrelevant, it is what you do in life.
unfortunately only 2 things are certain in life,and that is :MANS STUPIDITY AND MANS GREED>


Man kinds greed and stupidity will in all likely hood be our downfall.
As a great man said;two things are infinite.The universe and mankinds stupidity.
although i am not sure about the universe.
ALBERT EINSTEIN

[Kokatha man]

[quote=rpsastronomy;308304]KOKATHA MAN next time you quote me quote the whole message.IE

That's an order, is it? I think I'm able to choose that which I see as relevant as freely as anyone else on this forum!

Thanking you for the erudition.....

[Kokatha man]

Oh, and as an aside: one man's quote may well be another's poison - and to issue a statement and then hide it in the clothing of another's comments does no-one any favour.....

Best wishes to all, Darryl.

[Dog Star]

Skwinty, old mate, in actual fact Jazz is probably the most exacting form of music that any one can play. An awful lot of both Classical and Rock musicians would back me on this point. I like all 3 types AND folk, blues, electronica, Cajun, Zydeco, whatever. Let's stop picking on musical genres and get back to sinking the boot into each other. Speaking of which, the tone of your post suggested to me that you didn't entirely believe that young Caleb is in fact training to fly, but I'm sure I must have got that wrong?
Let's see; I've got a real job, I don't think I've made any spelling or punctuation errors and I'm not a musical elitist or snob and I generally take people at face value. No hair cut or tie, though. Damn! I must be a loser.:shrug:

[skwinty]

Gee whiz Dogstar
Talk about putting the boot in!
At no time did I attempt to classify any musical genre into any form of rank or importance or scale of difficulty. Nor at any time did I suggest that Caleb is not learning to fly.
I asked the question out interest as I also have had many thousands of hours airborne in many different types of aircraft.
The chirp I made about get a haircut and a real job was a quote from some song as I mentioned and as far as classing any one as a loser that wasnt me, however sunny jim, if the cap fits, by all means wear it.:P

[Dog Star]

Sincere apologies Skwinty. Re reading the thread leads me to believe I may have got that wrong. Still don't quite understand the classical music reference though. Putting the boot in is a time honored sport in Australia which most of us enjoy enormously and in good humour. I've got you on this point though. My name's not sunny jim. He lives down the road and has short hair.:thumbsup:

[Miaplacidus]

Steve Morse (ex Dixie Dregs) plays shred, has (or had) long hair, and is a commercial airline pilot.

Makes you think... (Well, not much, actually.)

[rider]

John Travolta has short hair and is a FAKE qantas commercial pilot.

I just dont want to think about that.

[ving]

havent read the entire thread...

a few words:

1. hair grows back when you cut it. it is a common thought or old wives tail that if you get a hair cut it doesnt grow back.

2. you will not lose your super human strength. this only happened to hurcules.

3. wig

4. hank rollins

5. long hair does not = rock or metal (see 4)

6. dont know what year you are in but as i tell my own daughter, school is such an infantisimally small part of your life so dont stress the small stuff. once you reach teh age of 30 you will have forgotten it all anyhow.let say you are in year 11... one year of short hair wont kill you. after you leave school you can do what you want with it.

7. b3 1337 2 34c# 07#3r!

[Bassnut]

1. When your over 50, it doesnt.......well, not as much.
2. Metal Axe heros are much stronger with long hair, Head banging with a crew cut is just sad.
3. You kidding !!
4. Umm, that would be Henry Rollins, and well, hes an exception, look at the bod, he actually looks like Hurcules.
5. Yes it does, of course it does, duh, (except for 4).
6. No, hair at school is big stuff, bigger than after school.
7. I entered that into my calculator, its wrong.

[cahullian]

Caleb dump the posh private school and be a real rebel,or keep your hair long and face the wrath of the powers that be. Make a stand or be stood on. I refused to wear a tie at my secondary school and policy at the time was to sent the student home to get one. I turned up every morning without a tie for six weeks and was sent home every day. In the end I was allowed in school without a tie as i was being victimized and that is against the law. The down side was the teaching staff made my life hell until I graduated, but i was the one grinning every morning and afternoon once the last period bell rang. Small victories taste great.

Gazz

[cahullian]

Samson Dave Samson.

Gazz

[Bassnut]

Thats right Gazz, school is not a fleeting forgetfull time, the memories last a lifetime, character building at a critical time.

[gts055]

Caleb, if the issue is really important to you, then you could attempt to take a stand for what you wish. Problem is, your parents are paying the school to enforce this ruling on hair length. I guess you already know that most things we wish for, end up being some sort of compromise. Think of a compromise as a partial "win". I can't offer any tips on how to avoid a modified hair length, apart from changing schools (bad idea I think). I can suggest you try shorter hair but maybe tinted, or some radical style that conforms on length. That way, you can show your willingness to compromise and get your partial win, while still maintaining this aspect of your individuality. I'm old, and have had countless partial wins. Over the years my hair has varied in length from very long to very short, and currently is relatively long (shoulder length). I too, am constantly being told I should get a haircut. Somehow, me getting a haircut is going to improve the world for these people, I like my world as it is, and fortunately I am not obliged to conform to their narrow minded ideas of "normality". Wish you luck and all the best with your band and career. Mark

[ving]

hehe oops!

point stands tho...

and as i said, those school years will pale in to insignificance. dont sweat the small stuff and look at the big picture. when this guy is 40 and a airline pilot is he going to look back to this year and cure the school for ruining the most important year of his life by making him get a hair cut and ruining his rock image? i doubt it.... he will be too busy spending his huge wage on astro stuff :P

[caleb]

astro stuff, i oneday hoped i could afford it.:thumbsup: + some awesome guitars and amps plus a wiked car and house.

[caleb]

good point with the music.
no solo yet, il be 15 in about 4 months and i shall be ready by then.:D

[leon]

Well this hair cut thread certainly got some mileage, can you imaging if it were something more serious. :lol: :lol:

Leon :thumbsup:

[AstralTraveller]

Perhaps we should term it a 'long strand'? :rofl: There are probably differing views about whether it should be snipped. I'm trying to think of something more serious but without success - perhaps you could suggest something :help: :lol:.

[Dog Star]

I'd just like to say that this has been a truly interesting thread and I'd like to thank Caleb for kicking it off. It's made us all think and examine our motivations and attitudes. What could be more stimulating and in the spirit of true science? The opinions expressed have revealed what a truly diverse and extraordinary bunch of individuals that we are. As a certain individual once said; "The things that unite us are greater than the things that divide us."
It has been a privelege and joy to participate! Whilst I've agreed with some and disagreed with others, it's been a joy to be part of the general discussion and I'm proud to consort with such free thinking individuals! Thank you very much EVERYONE and dark skies to ALL!:family2:

[gts055]

Agreed, life would be unbelieveably boring if we were all clones with identical interests and thoughts. Words like "discussion", "arguement" and "opinion" would be irrelevant ^.^
Mark

[Kal]

Wear a turbin and claim religious vilification if they complain.