CCD KILLER! ETA Carina

[EzyStyles]

Ok, i'm going to get flamed or have started a war between CCD's and DSLR's LOL. It seems i always come across websites labeling their CCD products as a "DSLR Killer!" so heres one back :)

Ofcourse no offense intended to all CCD owners as i can only dream to get myself an SBIG/Starlight/FLI camera! Personally speaking, I still do love and own the meade DSI!

13 x 7 minutes at ISO 400.

Hi Res here:

http://www.ezystyles.com.au/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=447718

CHeersss! :D

[iceman]

If only it was shot in RAW it'd be heaps better ;)

Fantastic image, Eric. So smooth. Incredible result.

[leon]

Great image Eric once again, ;) how is it you can take run of the mill images, while i have been banned, :shrug: and have to go for the deep stuff. :lol: :lol:

very nice indeed.

Leon :thumbsup:

[Matty P]

Eric that is a ripper of an image! :prey2::prey2::prey2:

The detail so so crisp and the colour is very pleasing to the eye.

Not much more to say than... :eyepop: and :2thumbs:

[Bassnut]

This irritates the crap out of me Eric. You do stuff with a DSLR (and in JPEG, you have to be KIDDING) thats just should be ILLEGAL. Your statement "CCD killer" assumes a given image comparison of an Astrocam and a DSLR image by the same average imager to illustrate what can be done with a given average skill set. In this case, a DSLR pic may well look similar to an Astrocam. You have only presented DSLR pics to demonstrate your skill. A fairer comparison would be YOU presenting a DSLR pic AND a 16meg US$16K cam pic, side by side. Then, you would see the difference. For a start, DSLR JEGS are 8 bit, and Astrocams are 16bit, that alone would, if you applied the skills you have, produce a spine chilling result, I dread the day :P.

BTW, as Mike says, try RAW (at least 12 bit), I await with intrepidation at the result.

[EzyStyles]

:lol: next camera next camera :ashamed: thanks mike :)



Cheers Leon. i had my bad times also (most) just that night was soo cold .



THanks Matty, glad that you like it.



Thanksss Fred for your compliments. I won't name any names, but have always seen websites labeling their CCD products "KILLS" DSLR . For them to say that is like comparing a datsun to a ferrari. im mere just rubbing it in their face that not all DSLR images gets "KILLED" by CCD's. :)

[acropolite]

Beautiful image Eric as always, I don't read all posts on the forum, but yours I always take the time to enjoy. Well done. :thumbsup:

[Ric]

That's a beauty Eric, well done.

I'm looking forward to the day when you do purchase and Sbig or similar.

Cheers

[dugnsuz]

We're on the verge of a Wardian argument regarding CCD v's DSLRs here!
Eric, in an attempt to transcend all that nonsense let me say your image is very very smooth. It shows all up and coming imagers just what can be achieved with what is perceived to be budget gear.
CCD killer or not(pretty close though), mate - you're an inspiration!
Well done again
Doug

[Tamtarn]

Another great image Eric. Any camera in your hands seems to produce lethal images.

[2020BC]

That's a good 'un.:thumbsup:

[EzyStyles]

THanksss Phil. yes you're normally the quiet achiever amoung all the moderators :)



Thanks Ric. Arh not on my priority list right now. price should fall after a few years... maybe :)


Thanks for your kind words doug. appreciated.



Thanks guys! looking forward to more of your 40d images :thumbsup:



Thanks Bill, now take some pics you've been quiet :)

[strongmanmike]

Quick! call an ambulance, I've been shot :scared:

lovely image Eric

Mike :D

[Alchemy]

another lovely shot there eric, edge to edge detail. your presentation of images has taken another leap forward lately... whatever you are doing keep it up!

[Davros]

Absolutely beautiful, my new desktop image. Thank you for sharing.

[turbo_pascale]

Great Shot Eric.

I now need to wait a few months (or more), before attempting to get an image together for public critique with that camera of yours.

[iceman]

C'mon Rob, don't make that poor camera wait :)

[tornado33]

Excellent image. I thought the subs were shot in raw, so they can be properly dark subtracted and flat fielded?

90 mins is nice and deep for the eta carina neb too
Scott

[jase]

A classic image Eric, well done. I'm with Fred. Its a bold statement to make until the same astrophotographer targets the same region with two different cameras, but all other components in the imaging train remains the same. Peter Ward did this conclusive test not long ago - http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=28834

The output you and various other DSLR users are producing is incredible. The one shot colour camera be it DSLR or CCD certainly allows for high volume work. A few images a week is not a problem and this is a fun form of imaging. I wont be swapping my mono chip with filters for a DSLR any time soon despite the considerably higher workload and challenges it takes to produce an image.

Cheers

[avandonk]

It was inconclusive Jase! Crap in crap out!

Oh I forgot I do not understand the Physics. So just disregard my post!

Just google my name and you will see the small number of papers I am an author on.

try 'A. Van donkelaar' or 'Albert Van Donkelaar'. See if you guys even start to understand the introductions.

Sorry

Bert

[jase]

I'm all eyes and ears Bert. I'd be interested in reading up on your papers. Please provide the links. I'm not going to debate your "crap in crap out" statement here. PM offline to discuss further or lets start another thread.

Cheers

[avandonk]

See here Jase.
http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=29727
Bert

Sorry Jase I have more than forty published papers in very prestigious journals. The last thing I wanted to do was play the mine is bigger than your game!

[Peter Ward]

[quote=avandonk;306420]It was inconclusive Jase! Crap in crap out!

quote]

So, Bert, how would have set up a colour DSLR and mono CCD comparison so *equivalent flux* fell on the sensors??

[mick pinner]

here we go again, mines bigger than yours blah blah blah.
take it outside guys, really sick of this.

[skeltz]

Yes some scientific data would be nice bert,googling your name does not reveal much.
Please provide some links of interest...cheers

[skeltz]

Oh yeah a good shot there eric you should be pleased!!

[EzyStyles]

CHeers guys, i'm lost now lol thanks for your reply :)

[RB]

It's a lovely image Eric, perhaps not a CCD killer though in my honest opinion.
Is it possible to put up a full res version so we can have a closer look, both your posted versions are around 1000px, both approx the same.

As a side note, these sorts of petty mud slinging matches does nothing for the hobby at all, apart from causing division.
It goes on all the time, Dobs vs SCTs, Canons vs Nikons, Meade vs Celestron, modded vs unmodded blah blah blah.
Quite frankly I get sick of it.

I'm here to enjoy everyone's work, whether it's done using a 20" RC with an SBig on a Paramount ME or a Toucam thru a Dob !

I try to ignore derogatory statements aimed at inflaming other people because of what equipment they use or how smart they are.
Who cares what equipment they use, if they can afford it then good luck to them.
If they get 'cocky' about themselves then I move on, no matter what they use or how inteligent they are.

Needless to say nor do I like the 'sour grapes' attitude others take as well, when they don't acknowledge the wonderful work through skill, being done with quality equipment but rather they say "yeah but look at the equipment he's using".

I believe that if we come across these situations then it's best to just move on and continue to do our best with what we have and not get sucked into useless arguments.

No one would knock back any high end equipment if they had the chance to afford it so why should we belittle people that can afford it and know how to get the best out of it?

I'm not trying to offend anyone here but rather want to put things in perspective, as I said it's a lovely image taken through a DSLR but I don't see it as a CCD killer.

[Peter Ward]

It was the "crap in crap out", and " grow up " comments that annoyed me.



Could not your Ph.d thesis anywhere.

As far as I can find from CSIRO publications (including a nice glossy report with a piccy of you "*Mr* Bert" loading a crystal sample) you worked as a lab tech wiz in Parkville and obtained x-ray diffraction data for the resident scientists, without which the "papers" by these relevant doctorates would have been a little thin.

Correct me if I got this wrong.

[Tamtarn]

Let it die Peter we're tired of it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

David

[Peter Ward]

I understand you sentiment Dave. Bert went quiet when I asked for a better solution.

So I'll say 'nuff said.

[bluescope]

Hi Eric,

I reckon it's a killer image of Eta regardless of the gear used to achieve it.
Your images are consistently of very good quality !
I like your M20 as well mate !

:thumbsup:

[multiweb]

It's been fun reading this thread! Sounds like an old woman's day at the doctors surgery :rofl: Your image's awesome Eric! :thumbsup: You can certainly kick ass and stir things up too. :lol:

[PhotonCollector]

Hello EzyStyles,

It's been a while since I submitted any images to IIS as I've been busy spending all my spare time doing amateur astronomy.

I wouldn't let the DSLR KILLER slogan bother you - especially considering the forum member(s) concerned are making humour of it on their own forum (not too difficult to find on www).

If you buy one of those $10,000 large format CCD cameras well you are going to get better resolution than our lowly $1,200 DSLR cameras. I think most of us already know that (because of the bayer matrix on the DSLR which reduces the effective pixel resolution as opposed to a CCD that takes full resolution images in combination with a filter wheel).

BUT..... for around $1,400 nearly any one can get started taking their own astro images - and that's what's important - the more poeple that can get into astro-imaging then all the better I think for the popularisation of amateur astronomy. Gee they can even take the DSLR of the 'scope out for everyday photos too! If everyone had to buy a CCD camera to get into imaging there probably wouldn't be many of us.

I know my own images are not the best.. gee I use a 1st generation DSLR.. the 6 MegaPixel Canon 300D... but the fact I can produce images of the heavens for me to look at and show my family and work friends is all thats important to me (spreading the interest).

Anyhow here's an image I did of ETA C. It is looking at the core of the nebula. And done with a 12" GSO 'scope and the old Canon 300D. Better look here http://www.skylab.com.au/pmsa/ngc3372g2.html

Nice chatting with ya EzyStyles and keep up that spectacular DSLR work you have been doing!

clear skies
Paul

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:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :lol:

[strongmanmike]

You could always sell the Beema...? :D

Mike

[PhotonCollector]

Nah.... gotta keep my priorities right (and besides the bmw will still be worth real money when it comes time to part with it).

see ya at work tomorrow!

[EzyStyles]

Hi Paul, totally correct there. At the end of the day, its pretty much showing the heavens to your family and friends what exactly is out there thats the most enjoyable part. Yes a $10k will definitely out perform a $1,200 DSLR but what if a $1,200 out performs a $10k CCD? wouldn't that be funny? Not trying to stir things up as i said seeing websites using slogans on their CCD products as a "DSLR KILLER" really puts me off rather, it should saying in the lines of "out performs a DSLR" would sound much better than DSLR KILLER.

your images always rocks Paul :thumbsup: