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bluescope
13-12-2007, 04:46 PM
This is an article from NineMSN ...........

Milky Way found to spin both ways


Thursday Dec 13 09:44 AEDT
Two scientists studying at the Australian National University are part of an international team that has discovered the Milky Way galaxy actually spins in different directions.
In their paper to be published in the journal Nature, the scientists describe how the outer edge of the Milky Way, the halo, is made up of two components that rotate in opposite directions.
The findings prove that the Milky Way halo was not assembled all at once but rather over time, something scientists have suspected for around 30 years.
The lead author of the report, Daniela Carollo, a researcher at Italy's Torino observatory now undertaking her Phd in Canberra, said that they made the discovery by studying the motions and chemical makeup of the halo.
"By examining the motions and chemical makeup of the stars, we can see that the inner and outer halos are quite different beasts and they probably formed in different ways at different times," Ms Carollo said.
The discovery also shows that the different parts of the halo have different chemical makeups with the inner stars containing three times more heavy elements than outer halo stars.
Ms Carollo said that these differences gave a much clearer picture of the formation of the early universe.
"Although it was once considered a single structure, an analysis of the stars shows that the halo is clearly divisible into two, broadly overlapping components. The discovery gives us a much clearer picture of the formation of the first objects in our galaxy and in the entire universe," she said.
This discovery may help to find some of the most primitive stars in the galaxy a quest that another team member ANU Professor John Norris has spent more than two decades on.
"These fossils of the early universe are extremely rare so finding them remains a classic needle in a haystack problem and the discovery of a chemically distinct outer halo, gives us a much better way to search the haystack," he said.



:thumbsup:

Just thought someone may be interested in this.

sheeny
13-12-2007, 05:11 PM
I heard this on ABC radio this morning...

curiouser and curiouser...

Al.

mlcolbert
14-12-2007, 08:41 AM
definitely! thanks for that!


michael

bluescope
14-12-2007, 02:29 PM
Makes me wonder if it is the result of a galactic collision in the past perhaps ?

We all know that we a headed for a collision with M31, the Andromeda Galaxy, in the future !

Still very strange to have bi-directional revolution !

Anyone else have any theories ?

xelasnave
18-12-2007, 02:16 PM
Does anyone have any leads to more on this?

..an artist impression maybe?

This may be evidence for the jets falling back to the galaxy as they would probably spiral out in different rotations..if anyone can see what I mean..er need to know my earlier comments on jets in another thread...sorry.

alex

CoombellKid
18-12-2007, 05:50 PM
Well I never.... the Milky Way is transexual. Well I guess that accounts for
Oxford St :whistle:

Interesting theory... how would this be?

regards,CS

xelasnave
23-12-2007, 08:48 AM
When I get the artist impression I will explain it all:lol::lol::lol:
alex:):)

rally
23-12-2007, 10:09 AM
Alex,

Heres some more detail and an artists impression.

http://www.sciencecentric.com/news/07121226.htm

Confession now required !#?!

Cheers rally

Argonavis
23-12-2007, 12:44 PM
I am not sure that this changes anything much in the galaxy evolution field, but perhaps makes it a little more complex.

The last few years has seen the bottom up scenario for galaxy evolution favoured, where large galaxies like the milky way being shown to be an aggregation of smaller galaxies merged and swallowed over eons of time.

This evidence would give equal weight to the top down scenario, where large galaxies like our own are the product of the collapse of immense gas clouds early in the universe's history. It seem likely that there were at least 2 of these immense clouds interacting in this early era, before settling down and proceeding to amalgamate lots of smaller already formed galaxies in the time since.


You can imagine a giant gas cloud collapsing and forming a nascent milky way, then colliding with another giant gas cloud that now forms the halo. I imagine the nascent milky way would cannibalise much of the second gas clouds mass and then using it for star formation inside the galactic disk, whilst leaving a fossil gas remnant still orbiting prograde (at least from the solar systems perspective).

With the much younger and smaller universe the milky way would then cannibalise other possibly smaller, possibly larger galaxies in the immediate neighborhood to build the galactic empire. M31 is next, although M31 being much larger would no doubt view it the other way around, as being the cannibal rather than the cannibalee.

xelasnave
24-12-2007, 08:10 AM
Thanks for that..
What confession would you like me to make:shrug:?
alex:):)

xelasnave
24-12-2007, 08:26 AM
I can not see why the outter halo would be going the other way if those stars were part of the original galaxy.
I think Will's approach in suggesting two bodies has merit.
I have believed for some time that galaxies consume others to grow and on this approach one could think that the outter halo is all that is left of a galaxy we have encountered that was rotating in an opposite direction.
alex