Win 7 - Network Password??????

[pmrid]

I'm trying to set up a NAS on my home LAN/WAN. It's nothing flash, just an out-of-the-box 1TB device that I picked up going through Singapore Airport a while back. It's connected to my PC via USB without problems but I want to put it on my home net so my wife can access the family pics etc.

But when I set it up using the supplied software etc, it tries to set up a desktop shortcut and goes off to search for the device but then says it can't find the device. Yet it shows up in the Network Tab. But when I try to click onto it by that link, I get this window asking me to enter a network ID and Password. I've never set a network password as such nor do I have any network ID other than my normal logon which is also Administrator level. In fact I'm the only user on this PC. And it isn't just looking for my standard logon ID/password. What the hell is it?

Any ideas apart from switching to Linux?


Peter

[tlgerdes]

There may be an applied restriction in the NAS GUI for network services. My Netgear NAS has that capability. While connect to uSB it doesn't apply those as it is a direct connection, but shared networks are less secure around those things.

[Amaranthus]

It may be that the firmware has a default login set - typically 'user' and '0000' but you should check your NAS manual. What is the brand/model?

[mithrandir]

Over the network my NAS behaves both as a Windows Server and as an NFS server. You have to create users (with the software that came with the NAS) who can then use those credentials.

For Windows it makes life easier if you use the same username on the PC and the NAS. The passwords don't have to be the same but again it makes life easier.

For *nix NFS it is best if the UID on the NAS matches the *nix UID otherwise you wind up having to use 0777 permission masks.

[tlgerdes]

And in English that means? :lol:

[pmrid]

I get the feeling this is a windows thing, not NAS. The NAS is a Buffalo Model HD-CE10TLU2. The call for a Network Password comes in the setup routine of the device.
There's nothing in the user manual about Network Passwords either.

Peter

[Amaranthus]

Could be Peter, but worth trying this first:
http://sg.faq.buffalo-global.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/14115/kw/password/p/31,33

http://sg.faq.buffalo-global.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/10343/kw/password/p/31,33

Defaults are "admin" and "password"

[The_bluester]

What I would guess it as being is the NAS asking for a login to access whatever shares are on it. Probably needing to be set up via the NAS web GUI. I have each of the PC's at home set up as an individual user with user name and password for each of the shares I want them to have access to. That way only the two Mac machines can access the share that I use for time machine backups.

[mldee]

Peter, a quick Google ( Buffalo Japan) shows this as being an external HDD, not a NAS. If this is the case, shouldn't you just be doing a normal Windows Share?

BTW, there are cheap devices around that connect via wired LANand you can plug USB HDD's into them to get full network access. I have one. Not as good as a dedicated NAS, but they do give all the LAN users access without needing a specific computer left on.

My, I do have a lot of gadgets!

[pmrid]

Thanks Barry. Tried that but the reason I am convinced this is a Windoze thing is (as I just noticed) the window that pops up asking for the Network Password is headed "Windows Security". I've done the rounds of the various Windows forums I can find and while others seem to have similar problems, no-one has a solution that seems to work - least of all Microsoft.

Peter

[mithrandir]

Trevor, if we have a tradeoff between truth and beauty I'll stick to truth.

Any NAS worth its salt does Windows (CIFS) compatible security, so has to have users and passwords.

If the NFS bit doesn't make sense it probably doesn't apply to you. Most *nixes can do CIFS if you are that desperate.

[Dennis]

Just guessing, but is this a Win 7 “Homegroup” issue::shrug:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-au/windows7/join-a-homegroup

I think I had to “join” my “Homegroup” for all my attached PCs at the set up phase.:)

Cheers

Dennis

[Asterix2020]

Hi Peter,
Just some ideas. A quick read of the product's website says is can be configured as a NAS (ethernet) or as an external drive (via USB). It appears you have it set up as a USB external drive, therefore you need to share that drive. Because you are being asked for a password you may have password sharing on. Right click on the drive and see what it says under properties>sharing. You should get a screen like I've attached. What does it say under password protection? If it says a user and password is needed, follow the link to "network and sharing centre" and turn off password protected sharing.

My other thought would be disconnect it from the USB, plug it into the modem/router/switch and then it may work like a NAS and be visible on the entire network.

[Tandum]

Been there Pete. They embed linux into the device and by default, SMB uses logon security. Try http to it with a browser and poke around the settings looking for security and turn off user based security. On some devices you can't turn it off and have to add a user/password combo to get in.

It's not a windoze problem, it's just been asked for logon details and popped up the dialog to get credentials.

[pmrid]

Thanks guys.
Some progress. One reason I wasn't able to access this device via http turned out to be that my browsers (Chrome and Safari) don't support frames. Rather than retreat to Explorer, I've loaded Firefox and lo and behold, I have been able to get into the device just a little via the router. I can now access it's configuration and have been able to determine its MAC and IP addresses, change the admin password, reset the date/time and that's about it.

But, I still can't get into the data on the drive. The admin logon and password I set on the device via the http routine are not being recognised by Windows. And I have turned off password sharing as well. In the http setup, I see that DHCP in on auto and NTP server is not activated. Do either of those settings need to be changed?

I guess that in a journey of a thousand steps (thank you grasshopper) I have at least taken one.

Peter

[Octane]

Does the device update its system date/time via NTP, or did you set it up manually?

I'd enable NTP and make sure that both your drive and any machines trying to access it have similar, if not the same, date and time.

Sometimes, machines can be sensitive to date and time being out. It's a security thing.

I doubt that is the cause here, but, it's worth a shot.

DHCP on auto will ensure the drive gets its IP from the router it is hooked up to. I prefer to disable this and assign an IP of my choosing which I can remember.

H

[pmrid]

G'day H,
I update my PC automatically with the time server at Deakin Uni using a small program called Dimension 4. So the PC is always on right time. But the NAS device (or external HDD if that's what the Japanese web site says it is) can have time updated automatically but needs its own client (or server - not sure which) and I'm not sure how to set that up so I just check the time daily and make sure it is within spitting distance of the PC I'm using.

Peter

[mithrandir]

Unless you have your own NTP server Peter, the NAS requires internet access. The NTP configuration will require one or more servers to be configured. I recommend you put au.pool.ntp.org or if it accepts more than one 0.au.pool.ntp.org and 1.au.pool.ntp.org
If the NAS will let you configure it as an NTP server you could then use it as the time source for your computers, rather than have them each going to the outside world.

[pmrid]

Thanks Andrew. I've se that NTP server - only one permitted but that should be OK if it works.
Still can't get past that bloody Network Password thing though.
Thinking it might be the router's own password for router admin, I tried that one as well but to no avail.
I'm out of permutations and combinations of IDs and passwords.
I note, with interest, that this version of Windows is not allowing me to set up different users. It throws up the "create user"dialog but then does nothing about it. Odd - Win 7 Home Premium limitations perhaps?

\Peter\

[mithrandir]

I meant that the NAS probably needs users defined. I know mine did. If you can find that config setting, then make the NAS usernames the same as the Windows usernames.

I don't have Win 7 Home but it is supposed to be "Control panel", "User Accounts", "Create an account with a password"

[pmrid]

An update.
I just had a long remote-control session with the manufactuer's techhies and they can't figure it put either. It has been ëscalated"to their next level.

The drama continues.

Peter\

[Octane]

Wow, that is truly bizarre.

Hope you get it sorted soon, mate.

H

[mostschaedel]

Hi!
Call NSA ;) for
your NAS password.
They have them all...:scared:

Gerald
P.S: Having an NAS Server also
i feel with you. Everybody can access, except me...

[cfranks]

Never enough! Never enough! :thumbsup: