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Old 29-05-2007, 04:32 PM
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Mirror cleaning

hi, just a simple question. when rinsing the mirror after having cleaned it. would boiled off rainwater be alrigth to rinse it with??

i had some demineralised water somewhere but can't find it
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Old 29-05-2007, 05:01 PM
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It should be alright, but I suggest you filter it as any rain that comes of your roof may have dust in it which could scratch your mirror
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Old 29-05-2007, 05:46 PM
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You could distill your own water.

Boil any water (tap, rain, creek) in an open top container with a piece of glass or plastic above it to collect the steam. Then allow the run-off to drip into a clean plastic bottle.

BINGO! Distilled Water.

My Mum used to do this to make distilled water for her Iron when I was a kid!!!
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Old 29-05-2007, 06:03 PM
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I just use bulk spring water from supermarket and never noticed any residue after cleaning. I think its only a few dollars for 4 litres. I think th emain thing is piece of mind that the water is filtered and not containing particles of grit and rust from your pipes.

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You could distill your own water.

Boil any water (tap, rain, creek) in an open top container with a piece of glass or plastic above it to collect the steam. Then allow the run-off to drip into a clean plastic bottle.

BINGO! Distilled Water.

My Mum used to do this to make distilled water for her Iron when I was a kid!!!
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Old 29-05-2007, 06:15 PM
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I just use bulk spring water from supermarket and never noticed any residue after cleaning. I think its only a few dollars for 4 litres. I think th emain thing is piece of mind that the water is filtered and not containing particles of grit and rust from your pipes.
If he was going to the supermarket, he may as well just by proper Distilled water, also called de-mineralised water. It's very very cheap!
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Old 29-05-2007, 06:22 PM
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i just got demineralised from the shop
but i'm havin trouble with the cleaning of the mirror
i washed it as Mike's "how to" said, but there is residue left all over it :S. i rinsed it with the demineralised water but the residue just stays. hte mirror now looks more dirty than it did before cleaning
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Old 29-05-2007, 06:32 PM
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here are some pics of the mirror. there is a lightish residue left on parts of the mirror :S
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Old 29-05-2007, 09:30 PM
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Hi Zander..
Correct me if I'm wrong..but does the lightish residue has a swirl pattern when you shine a light on it?..the reason I ask is that the mirror on my 10 inch saxon developed a hazy swirl pattern on it's surface and you'll notice it only in direct light..but as I've found...this condition hasn't degraded the image.
A simple test for the mirror's reflective coating is to hold the mirror up to a lightbulb and if you can see the structure of the lightbulb's filiment then it might need a reacoat..or test it's image quality against another mirror of the same type..
Have a browse around for other advice..plenty of it in this forum!!
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Old 29-05-2007, 09:39 PM
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Hi,

Spring water contains salts of one kind or another doesn't it? I would think you would get a faint powdery residue from it.

Demineralised water is just that - not guaranteed to be free of solid particles like dust.

So I bought DM water from Coles and ran it through a filter paper from the coffee percolator, result was perfect when rinsing a Bintel Dob mirror.

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Old 29-05-2007, 11:31 PM
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Zander,

When you rinsed the mirror off with the De-mineralised water and stood it up on an angle to let the water run off, did you get a paper towel and lightly touch the water droplets to get them off by absorbing them?

If you don't absorb every drop of water on the surface it can leave little water marks similiar to your spots.
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Old 29-05-2007, 11:56 PM
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yeah i did all that

the swirls seemed to come from the water i washed it in. it was like there was a fine silver powdery stuff in the water. it looked like it was off the bottom of the mirror or sumthin like that. i put in new washing water a few times, but the residue stuff stayed :S. oh well, i dont think it will effect the image quality too much. i'll try to clean it off next time.
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Old 30-05-2007, 08:52 AM
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I am strongly in favour of rarely washing mirrors and only when they really really need it.

In my opinion there are 6 possible outcomes when you go to clean a mirror
*Everything works fine and you end up with a clean properly reinstalled mirror
*You get a clean mirror but mess up the reinstallation (or similar mishap)
*You do a poor job cleaning and leave dirt/spots but reinstall poorly
*You do a poor job cleaning and leave dirt/spots but reinstall well
*You clean poorly and scratch or damage mirror and reinstall poorly
*You clean poorly and scratch or damage mirror and reinstall well...

Of those, 5 are "bad"...

Not to be alarmist or scare people because I do believe that mirrors and other coatings were made to withstand some "common" cleaning...but a mirror does not need to be washed weekly or monthly...heck, I don't even clean them annually (unless they need it)...I only do it when they are dirty...it will take a signifigant amount of dust to degrade the view...

It is a sometimes necessary task and when it needs to be done feel confident in doing it...but, a mirror can go a long time before it "needs" to be cleaned (my opinion)

Good Luck All!
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Old 30-05-2007, 09:31 AM
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I agree. I have only cleaned my mirror once in 5 years. I don't see the need to do it any more often.
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Old 30-05-2007, 09:43 AM
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I clean mine every 6 months or so, to no ill effect.

I need to do it again, after which i'll put the catseye centre spot on.
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Old 30-05-2007, 10:36 AM
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Most mirrors used around big cities gather a greasy film fairly quickly. Just breathe on and look at the condensation pattern to see if it has a greasy film .A patchy blotchy condensation pattern, means the mirror is greasy . Also those in bushy setting get a film of Eucolyptus oil which is very tenacious. The mirror surface needs to be soaked in methylated spirits before the normal cleaning process is started. Greasy films and dust scattter light and lower planetary contrast. Small scattered spots of dirt or previous washing blems don't matter.

On the whole most mirrors I have seen get left way beyond the point that they are in need of a good wash for some fear of the unknown. They are all overcoated these days, so you aren't going damage the glass surface of the mirror. IMHO If you like your images clean and contrasty wash your mirror as often as needed, and don't deem it clean unless it passes the breath test.
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Old 30-05-2007, 11:43 AM
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They are all overcoated these days, so you aren't going damage the glass surface of the mirror.
No, they aren't ALL overcoated these days. Some are still manufactured without.

And it isn't the glass that is at risk of being scratched, it's the ultra thin layer of Aluminium. It does mark and scratch very easily. Even fingers leave acid on the Aluminium causing oxidisation. The over-coat is meant to slow down the oxidising.
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Old 30-05-2007, 02:18 PM
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No, they aren't ALL overcoated these days. Some are still manufactured without.
And it isn't the glass that is at risk of being scratched, it's the ultra thin layer of Aluminium. It does mark and scratch very easily. Even fingers leave acid on the Aluminium causing oxidisation. The over-coat is meant to slow down the oxidising.
Yes I should have been more specific .All *commercially* made mirrors are over-coated with Silicon Monoxide or Quartz these days. I don't agree that overcoated surface scratch or mark easily.

Astro -Optical Supplies coating service does not offer overcoat . However a bare aluminium coating will form a hard layer of Aluminium Oxide on top within 3 months which is pretty strong.

Misplaced fear of 'scratching' the coating is a common but poor reason IMHO to have a 'scope with a dirty dusty mirror. Its meant to be looked through not 'at' .
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Old 30-05-2007, 04:49 PM
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i didn't know mirror cleaning was such a controversial topic

thanks for the input though, has been most helpful to hear both sides of the matter
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Old 30-05-2007, 08:25 PM
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ah Mark, a man after my own heart.

Great to finally hear of others who believe that a dirty mirror is bound to reduce contrast and increase light scatter. Cleaning it doens't have to be scary!

That's why I wrote this article.
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You could distill your own water.

Boil any water (tap, rain, creek) in an open top container with a piece of glass or plastic above it to collect the steam. Then allow the run-off to drip into a clean plastic bottle.

BINGO! Distilled Water.

My Mum used to do this to make distilled water for her Iron when I was a kid!!!
I do a similar thing but use winewash instead of water.
Great for cleaning your ep's.
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