Herschel's Ring looks like it might be a supernova remnant, with its loculated, bubbles-within-bubbles wall structure, especially visible toward 2 o'clock.
But it isn't, not yet. It's a nebula created by a pre-supernova Wolf Rayet star whose strong stellar wind has slammed into and shock-jocked the pre-existing medium.
How do we know without a spectrograph? Two strong hints. The first is the extreme paucity of SII (here mapped to red), compared with acutal supernova remnants such as the Pencil Nebula or the area around Pismis 4 that we posted recently. The second is (perhaps) the very large amount of pre-existing medium hanging around, waiting to be scooped up, as seen as purish hydrogen alpha [green] toward the bottom left edge.
The complex bubble structures toward 2 o'clock are worth a close look. There are also some nice, fainter shocks glowing in OIII toward the left.
Q: Why is the image so green when we know that is sinful?
A: We are being true to the light, and true to the astrophysics. As explained before, this region is not a post-supernova spectacular. It is a relatively peaceful (greenpeace?), youthful (greenhorn?) dainty (Daintree rainforest?) area, with very little SII. Trying to make it battle red [SII] when it isn't would be unfaithful to the light, and unfaithful to the physics. Embrace the green, for what it is telling us.
Field 36 min arc, North up. Ha: 5hrs, OIII 6hrs; SII 10hrs, all in 1hr unbinned subs mostly at -30C. Aspen 20" PlaneWave. MI-760 fork. Half moon. Processing using our very own GoodLook 64.
Mike and Trish, your palette rationale is hard to quibble so you may be on to a pivotal change in the way pretty pictures are interpreted! more power to you! :-) Lovely work!!!
Mike and Trish, your palette rationale is hard to quibble so you may be on to a pivotal change in the way pretty pictures are interpreted! more power to you! :-) Lovely work!!!
Mike
Thanks, Mike, I'm thrilled that you like it as is. We've had several goes over the years, and it's always come up looking blurry and wishy-washy. The 10 hours of SII helped a lot, but there really isn't much more of it.
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I love it!!
I really appreciate everything you have done with this.
Thanks,
Tim
Thank you, Tim!
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Great image and an excellent write up, I'll have to look at it on something other than my iPhone under hard sunlight though
Cheers, Colin. Hope you're not disappointed when you see it on the big screen.
Nice picture and lovely lucid description of what is happening. I fully agree that NB should illustrate something physical and not just be a free-for-all-slap-together-palettes-to-produce-a-pretty-picture approach.
As someone once chipped "Keep the bast*rds. honest"
Cheers
Lovely work, M&T, both on the image and the description
I have about 16 hours on this target from two years ago and have never managed to come up with an image I like, even if I disrespect the light. Yours is way better than anything I've managed so far!
Nice scale MnT. The colour is very similar to the image a did a few years back now. Nice detail and tight stars.
Hi, Paul. Your image is now in my "Brilliant works by others" catalogue. It has an interesting beastie at the very top, which is out of frame on ours.
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Nice picture and lovely lucid description of what is happening. I fully agree that NB should illustrate something physical and not just be a free-for-all-slap-together-palettes-to-produce-a-pretty-picture approach.
As someone once chipped "Keep the bast*rds. honest"
Cheers
Thanks muchly, Geoff. Perhaps the 16803 chip is a 'Don' Chipp.
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Great work Mike. Its definitely go hard or go home. 1 hour subs - gulp.
Greg.
Cheers, Greg! The long subs really only matter when there's very faint stuff to shoot. We puzzle about when to resort to 2x2 binning. Unbinned [SII] always seems to work out clearer and sharper; binned is a lot less gritty, and is sometimes the only way to see anything at all. Dunno.
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Lovely work, M&T, both on the image and the description
I have about 16 hours on this target from two years ago and have never managed to come up with an image I like, even if I disrespect the light. Yours is way better than anything I've managed so far!
Cheers,
Rick.
Thanks so much Rick. Kind and encouraging words.
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Intersting object, and nice writeup I like the colour palette, looks good:thumbs:
Delicate, pretty and interesting M&T. Colours are very pleasing and, astrophysical justifications notwithstanding (), I don't see a preponderance of green at all. Very nicely done indeed!
Very nice image and interesting object (I don't remember having it seen before).
Thanks, Geert. You can see it too from Chile.
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I couldn't find an RA or DEC for this object. Do you know its RA DEC? Does it have an NGC number?
Greg.
NGC 3199, in Carina. The photo is centred at 10:17:25, -57:54:37 J2K.
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Delicate, pretty and interesting M&T. Colours are very pleasing and, astrophysical justifications notwithstanding (), I don't see a preponderance of green at all. Very nicely done indeed!
Excellent colour treatment M&T and overall a pleasing effort. At the risk (after a few) of causeing offence. Having tried this myself, you certainly could have gone deeper with Ha, unless you have and havent stretched much?.
Excellent colour treatment M&T and overall a pleasing effort. At the risk (after a few) of causeing offence. Having tried this myself, you certainly could have gone deeper with Ha, unless you have and havent stretched much?.
Cheers, Fred!
Here's a (very jpeg compressed) version where everything is stretched more, but no change to the overall colour balance. My goal is that the image as a whole should remain colour neutral. It's brought out more of the diffuse Ha in the background, but I feel it detracts from the very fine bubble structures at 2 o'clock. Dunno.
Very interesting object and very skilfully processed, nice work MnT
Thanks again, Suavi. It came out much bettter than our 2013 version, which seemed very blurry and low-contrast by comparison (Different camera, different focusing regime, -12C rather than -30C, poor flats, no dithering, more primitive processing).
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1hr subs and no satellite trails? Rick managed to capture so many in just 10-minute subs! LOL
Just checked the raw subs. Not a single satellite trail in 21 hours. Billions of cosmic ray hits. (Often wonder why we use statistical data rejection to remove the most distant and most violent and primitive astronomical events we ever photograph, but the pix do look better without 'em.)
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Love the color palette. Very deep shot. Beautiful field.
