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Old 04-09-2012, 11:45 AM
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hi Brent,
thank's for the link, all good I hope,
opened face book account for the astronomy course,
also, too the right area, now sit back and study,
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Old 04-09-2012, 11:52 AM
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I like the site, all good,
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Old 04-09-2012, 12:22 PM
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Well I've taken the plunge and signed up too. I was never any good at study, so I'll see how far I can go. So far the reading hasn't been to bad, just need to brush up on my algebra.

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Old 04-09-2012, 02:04 PM
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Just out of interest, can anyone here solve the example equation on the sign up page? I can't!

I'm not looking for an answer or steps, jut wonder how many can do it.
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Old 04-09-2012, 02:12 PM
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Just out of interest, can anyone here solve the example equation on the sign up page? I can't!

I'm not looking for an answer or steps, jut wonder how many can do it.
Do you mean the equation in Point 3 (solving for 'G')? If so, yes. From memory we did that level of algebra in high school.
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Old 04-09-2012, 02:34 PM
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Hi Marc,

It took a bit of trial any error but I think I worked it out right.

The example they use to demostrate Kepler's 3rd law took me some time to work out esp. the second part, triing to solve for "a".
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Old 04-09-2012, 04:12 PM
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hi All,
ok, where do you find the question?,
haven't found it yet,
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Old 04-09-2012, 04:17 PM
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hi All,
by looking at Kepplers 3rd law,
no idea of the answer,
then again, I still may learn something,
by carring on, yet again,
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Old 04-09-2012, 07:44 PM
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Do you mean the equation in Point 3 (solving for 'G')? If so, yes. From memory we did that level of algebra in high school.
Yes, although I think they are requiring you to solve for D, unless my understanding of algebra terminology is completely wrong, which is a very real possibility. The solution is given, I just can't work to it from the original equation.

It likely is high school algebra, but high school is somewhere I haven't been for a very long time.

Incidentally, I think the equation is a representation of the Roche Limit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roche_limit

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Old 04-09-2012, 08:15 PM
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It likely is high school algebra, but high school is somewhere I haven't been for a very long time.
Hi Malc,

Sorry if my comment came across wrong, it was meant as an encouragement (i.e. they don't appear to require a uni degree as a prequisite for this course). It's been a long time since I was at school too

I'm happy to provide a worked example if it helps.

Cheers,

Michael

Edit: yes, should have been 'D'. My typo.

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Old 04-09-2012, 08:54 PM
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Just out of interest, can anyone here solve the example equation on the sign up page? I can't!

I'm not looking for an answer or steps, jut wonder how many can do it.
Here are the steps, but I did it by inspection. It's about 40 years since I did my degree (Pure/Applied Mathematics, Computer Science, Statistics).
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Old 04-09-2012, 09:08 PM
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http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/w...S/IMG_2698.jpg

I got there a different way. (Sorry for the mess, I was doing it on post-its while watching TV)
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Old 05-09-2012, 08:11 PM
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Ahh ... I wasn't aware that cuberoot(x) was the same as x^1/3, I was a lot closer to solving it than I thought. There may yet be hope for me!

mprenzler, absolutely no offense taken, I didn't read it in the negative at all.

mithrandir, thanks for the workings, super helpful. Although obvious in retrospect, the reciprocate step didn't occur to me and so my workings were a little more long winded.
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Old 05-09-2012, 08:22 PM
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Ahh ... I wasn't aware that cuberoot(x) was the same as x^1/3, I was a lot closer to solving it than I thought. There may yet be hope for me!
That's right Malc, this holds for all roots; taking the root of something is the same as raising it to the inverse power, eg. Squareroot(x) = x^1/2
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Old 05-09-2012, 08:28 PM
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I got there a different way. (Sorry for the mess, I was doing it on post-its while watching TV)
You can't cancel out the G like that.... can you?? ok divide both sides by G
Sorry answering my own questions.
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Old 05-09-2012, 08:36 PM
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This is how I did it.
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Hahahaha, it's started. Good Stuff guys !!!
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Old 06-09-2012, 02:28 PM
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hi All,
Mick & Barry,
I see the result of the equasion
that you both have solved,
what is D standing for in the equasion?,

as it has been along time since I was at high school, not too much of this was going on when I was there, so I have a lot of learning and understanding too do,
there again, may be alot of tuition too,
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Old 06-09-2012, 03:39 PM
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I see the result of the equasion
that you both have solved,
what is D standing for in the equasion?,
Hi Peter,

If you refer to the Wikipedia page Malc referenced (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roche_limit) you can see the following explanation:
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The Roche limit for a rigid spherical satellite excluding orbital effects, is the distance, , from the primary at which the gravitational force on a test mass on the surface of the object is exactly equal to the tidal force pulling the object away from the object:
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This is the orbital distance inside of which loose material (e.g., regolith or loose rocks) on the surface of the satellite closest to the primary would be pulled away
If I understand this correctly, if the surface of the moon were inside the Roche Limit (i.e. if the diameter of its orbit was less than the value of d calculated for the earth and the moon), then anything on the surface of the moon would be pulled towards earth.

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Old 07-09-2012, 03:18 PM
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hi Michael,
thank you,
I understand the mechanics of what is going on,
the equasions are the tricky ones, and I shall be trying to
work it out, still studying,
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