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Old 15-01-2022, 04:36 PM
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I am not sure this argument stacks up. As you say your self there a many people dying and being saved in hospitals of other diseases or accidents There are many other emergencies always taking up ambulances and hospital capacity. I have have had the ride several times myself . Some can not quickly get an ambulance or visit a GP or get into hospital due the indundation of COVID patients. And so they could die waiting or by delay.

My double vaccinated (Pfizer)son at 27 and super fit had a bad flu like illness with COVID lasting a week. Three vaccinations , two Astra and one RNA makes all the difference as all the studies have shown to reduce symptoms markedly . So the Astra works and is sold at cost price.

The hospital doctors I know of are working irrespective of living with contacts as they have no choice and that is the current rule. So they live their lives in masks doing more than 12 hour shifts and are falling ill themselves. Same with nurses and ambos.



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I doubt it.

As I write, according to the Dept of Health, there are about 3800 COVID affected people in Australian hospitals.

Non-evidence based isolation rules have caused staff shortages which are not helping, but Australia has around 100,000 hospital beds so we are well short of "running out of room" for outlier patients.
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Old 15-01-2022, 04:40 PM
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Good news Marc

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Well I returned a negative PCR his morning. Out of 5 people (all double vaxed) in close contact with one positive (twice) every other person was negative. Go figure. I got tested four times and always was negative to date.
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Old 15-01-2022, 06:07 PM
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I am not sure this argument stacks up."......

I have no doubt that due medical staff shortages, most of which are due deemed isolation periods, rather than whether said medico is no longer infectious, are causing those who are able to provide care to get hammered. But COVID hospital bed numbers in NSW of 2500 as at Jan 15th are about 1/10th of the 20,700 available beds.....hardly overwhelming.

An inconvenient truth is almost all state health systems were lurching from one crisis to he next due inadequate funding and staff levels well before COVID hit. Ambulance crews were being regularly turned away from ED's. Pollies of all persuasions should be made to squirm for prior and current mal-administration of our health system.

None the less...indeed if you are double vaxed and have a booster, a COVID infection will almost certainly mean you will avoid an ED visit.
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Old 16-01-2022, 01:37 PM
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Today is day four of my round with COVID and to quote Joe Cocker: "Feelin' alright!".

I note, apart from our esteemed Dr Swan's comments, the Washington Post reported: "At a Senate hearing Tuesday, Dr Fauci (head of the CDC) said that unvaccinated people are 20 times likelier to die, 17 times likelier to be hospitalized and 10 times likelier to be infected than the vaccinated" he also said ďif youíre vaccinated and if youíre boosted, the chances of you getting sick are very, very low.Ē

My experience has been exactly that.

Very mild symptoms and absolutely certain vaccines are the key to navigating through this. As to why you'd choose not be vaccinated is beyond me.

Thinking of that: the Australian Open tennis....my prediction is the World's #1 men's player will withdraw, due a case of Omicron.
Dr Swan is receiving generous public Swan has directly contributed to fear re Covid, heís done little to calm the few who watch Auntie. Heís not good value, the Australian taxpayer deserves better, maybe hire an epidemiologist rather than an ABC hack.
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Old 16-01-2022, 02:35 PM
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Hi Peter,

Glad you are now on the mend.

Like you, in terms of vaccination, I've had AZ (early June) + AZ (late August) + Moderna (4th January 2022) and yes, the fact you are vaccinated has probably contributed a great deal to your infection being a pretty mild one.

Just a couple of questions out of interest: How long after your Moderna booster did you test positive?

Do you know which strain you had (Alpha, Delta, Omicron etc)?

The lack of "chesty" type symptoms might indicate that it was Omicron which seems to prefer the URT (speculation on my part I have to admit).

That said, I do not share your enthusiasm for Dr Swan (who last actually practised medicine in 1982 -- and was a paediatrician). He was one of the leading "pundits" that induced a lot of panic in the early days of this pestilence and a lot of his predictions failed to come to pass -- and he never said "I got that one wrong". The ABC love him because they can always rely on Norman to give a good kicking to any non-left-wing government at any level along the way with his medical comments.

The real experts (public health specialists, epidemiologists etc etc) who are equally adept science communicators were largely by-passed by the ABC in favour of Dr Swan and have for the most part made good predictions as to the course of the pestilence -- without the hyper-panic. Prof Peter Collignon most notably and Prof Peter Doherty + Dr Nick Coatesworth.

Glad you are getting better mate.

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Mmm.
I think I would rather trust the young doctors I know on the front line and this professor.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/pati...9mxx.html?btis

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I have no doubt that due medical staff shortages, most of which are due deemed isolation periods, rather than whether said medico is no longer infectious, are causing those who are able to provide care to get hammered. But COVID hospital bed numbers in NSW of 2500 as at Jan 15th are about 1/10th of the 20,700 available beds.....hardly overwhelming.

An inconvenient truth is almost all state health systems were lurching from one crisis to he next due inadequate funding and staff levels well before COVID hit. Ambulance crews were being regularly turned away from ED's. Pollies of all persuasions should be made to squirm for prior and current mal-administration of our health system.

None the less...indeed if you are double vaxed and have a booster, a COVID infection will almost certainly mean you will avoid an ED visit.
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Old 16-01-2022, 05:00 PM
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Mmm.
I think I would rather trust the young doctors I know on the front line and this professor.
As you should, but I fail to see any inconsistency from the view I put earlier:
i.e. systemic problems existed long before COVID. To quote your article:

"The need for better rehabilitation planning is not a new problem. The Council of Australian Governments initiative of 2009-2014 showed that investment in enhanced rehabilitation services saved money ($4.80 for every $1 spent) and created capacity in our hospitals (16 virtual beds in a 300-bed hospital), but there was no federal follow-up.

COVID-19 has made the problem worse."
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Old 16-01-2022, 05:13 PM
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Hi Peter,

Glad you are now on the mend.

Just a couple of questions out of interest: How long after your Moderna booster did you test positive?

Do you know which strain you had (Alpha, Delta, Omicron etc)?

The lack of "chesty" type symptoms might indicate that it was Omicron which seems to prefer the URT (speculation on my part I have to admit).
................

Glad you are getting better mate.

Best,

L.
Ta Les. Caught the bug 8 weeks after the booster. No idea what variant. Symptoms were non-chestly and very mild.

It's been a week since I was infected, buy felt fine by day 4.

As for Dr Swan...I'll let that go through to the keeper for now
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Well Peter, I can assure you that there are very few vacant beds in Perth hospitals, which are frequently on code yellow [full up], and almost none are currently occupied by covid patients. Ambulance ramping has been the norm here for ever and a day. We have a miniscule
number of ICU beds outside Perth, 10 in Bunbury, and other than that everyone else has many hours to drive to get to one.
It is going to be very interesting to see how we go here after we open up next month.
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Well Peter, I can assure you that there are very few vacant beds in Perth hospitals, which are frequently on code yellow [full up], and almost none are currently occupied by covid patients. Ambulance ramping has been the norm here for ever and a day. We have a miniscule
number of ICU beds outside Perth, 10 in Bunbury, and other than that everyone else has many hours to drive to get to one.
It is going to be very interesting to see how we go here after we open up next month.
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Itís gonna be a catastrophe Ray, Iím dreading it 🙁
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Itís gonna be a catastrophe Ray, Iím dreading it 🙁
Guys.....both my own and wife's families are in the west...we truly "get it". The lack of health resources sans COVID as we speak is appalling. I wish you well in coping when you re-engage with the world.
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Guys.....both my own and wife's families are in the west...we truly "get it". The lack of health resources sans COVID as we speak is appalling. I wish you well in coping when you re-engage with the world.
Thanks Peter, appreciate the sentiment. Hope your families stay well too 🙏🏻👍🏻
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Second that.
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Second that.
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I note The Guardian ran a piece today that WA is refusing entry to over 100 Doctors and Specialists who are currently "locked out" of the State.

But it's good to see McGowan clearly has a excellent handle on COVID messaging
with this delightful piece of theatre

Buccan good 'ay bloke !

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I reckon as long as you keep up your vaccination rate you'll ease into it nicely. There's unfortunately no escaping it.
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I note The Guardian ran a piece today that WA is refusing entry to over 100 Doctors and Specialists who are currently "locked out" of the State.

But it's good to see McGowan clearly has a excellent handle on COVID messaging
with this delightful piece of theatre

Buccan good 'ay bloke !
The important thing is that the WA people love and support him and they don't care what the other states think.
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Old 17-01-2022, 11:59 AM
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The important thing is that the WA people love and support him and they don't care what the other states think.
Indeed, with messaging like that, and keeping those pesky Doctors locked out what could possibly go wrong?
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An inconvenient truth is almost all state health systems were lurching from one crisis to he next due inadequate funding and staff levels well before COVID hit. Ambulance crews were being regularly turned away from ED's. Pollies of all persuasions should be made to squirm for prior and current mal-administration of our health system.
None the less...indeed if you are double vaxed and have a booster, a COVID infection will almost certainly mean you will avoid an ED visit.
This is the very same thing I have said since it first started that no government of any persuasion has done anything about the lack of health facilities or to increase staff numbers. Yet every election cycle they spout how they will fix the system. When elected all that they do is look to the next election and to hell with the common folk.
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Old 17-01-2022, 03:31 PM
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Can we not talk politics please othwerwise I fear our mods will lock it
Over the past couple of years Iíve become a HUGE fan of Russell Brand. Intuitively the emphasis he places on tolerance is inspiring.
If we could all take a page from Russellís book not only would our blood pressure be lower, we would reflect rather than react.
Weíre in a new period of bigotry, Russell is one of the antidotes thatís emerged to combat bigotry.
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