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Old 12-11-2021, 01:47 PM
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Another scam to beware of

Just got a phone call purporting to be from Amazon and wanting me to confirm a purchase of an iPhone for $700 or so and asking me to ….. . Of courseI had not bought any such thing but worryingly, I had bought a guide scope from the Oz Amazon only a few days before. Coincidence ??

I just hung up of course but I can see how many would be concerned enough to follow the prompts and end up giving them their credit card details etc.

I hate very few people but these are among the few.

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Old 12-11-2021, 02:07 PM
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The scammers are a curse of the internet age just watched a BBC, Panorama program on the ABC, called Spying On The Scammers, most illuminating. Seems there are some very tech savvy people out there that have hacked into some scammers internal CCTV and watched and listened to them making their calls.
If smart individuals can do that , where are out national security agencies and police and Telcos' on this issue.
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Old 12-11-2021, 02:42 PM
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Haven't had an Amazon one in a while, but just got the border force call...
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Old 13-11-2021, 06:55 AM
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but worryingly, I had bought a guide scope from the Oz Amazon only a few days before. Coincidence ??
Pretty standard. When you're waiting for a parcel from Auspost with tracking you might also get scam emails advising this and that about your delivery. When you change internet or mobile supplier, when you buy something from amazon ,ebay, etc... when you bpay or pay your company taxes and deal with the ATO, you often get "related" scam/phishing mails relating to what you're doing or waiting for at the time. It just shows that all those mobs, govt or other, so called privacy and security leak. The worst I've had was an unauthorized purchase on the apple store minutes after I concluded a credit card transaction over the phone with Edmund optics 10 years ago. Westpac blocked it immediately. Even some employees dip in.
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Old 13-11-2021, 12:31 PM
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The vast bulk of the scam callers are coming out of call centres in India
and the number of the centres is reported to be steadily increasing.

Estimates are that they are collectively stealing hundreds of millions of
dollars from victims around the globe annually.

We typically receive multiple calls per day from these centres either
purporting to be the NBN, Telstra or Amazon.

Their automated dialers are reported to be able to make hundreds of calls
a second. Whoever picks up the call first becomes the target and the other
calls are dropped. So apart from attempting to steal money from victims,
the operations are extremely disruptive to individuals in households and
to the productivity of businesses who stop what they are doing to answer
them.

We have multiple phone lines with unique numbers and what
betrays the industrial level of the scammers operations is that typically the
phones here will all start ringing at once.

The criminal call centres in India are leveraging the experience India
has received in operating legitimate call centres including a well-trained
English speaking workforce. Increasingly the number of callers are woman.

Pressure needs to be brought to bear on the federal government.

In turn, they need to make clear to the Indian government that it
needs to end. Police corruption there is rife and it needs to be made clear
to Modi these centres have to be shut.

The Department of Communications needs to mandate changes to the
industry to thwart caller ID spoofing over the SS7 telephone protocol.

State departments of Fair Trading need to either outlaw gift cards or
or limit their dollar value to some small nominal amount. High value
gift cards - $100 to $500 - particularly from multinationals such as
Google are one of the international funds transfer payment mechanisms
of choice for scammers.

Legislation should be made that gift card redemptions are traceable
and require photo ID, akin to purchasing a SIM card.

Gift cards should only be redeemable in the country in which they are sold.

Last week, the Commonwealth Bank of Australia announced it would
allow trading in cryptocurrencies such as Bitcoin after a decision handed
down by the Australian Treasurer.

This decision was not only dumb, it was unconscionable.

Bitcoin has become the payment mechanism of choice for ransomware
criminal operations, particularly out of Russia and for the transfer of
funds globally for drug trafficking, sex trafficking and arms smuggling.

What's more, Bitcoin mining operations and transactions consume more
energy annually that the entire country of Finland and most of that energy
came from dirty fossil fuels. Bitcoin is estimated to be needlessly
producing about 1% of the world's CO2 emissions. China recently
banned cryptocurrency mining and transactions ostensibly to reduce their
CO2 footprint. In so doing, overnight, China reduced their own CO2
emissions by an amount that was a big fraction of that of all of Australia.

It's in India's best interest to shut them as India itself estimates it has become
the biggest target for its own scam call centres :-
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/84637261.cms
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Old 13-11-2021, 02:06 PM
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Just got a phone call purporting to be from Amazon and wanting me to confirm a purchase of an iPhone for $700 or so and asking me to ….. . Of courseI had not bought any such thing but worryingly, I had bought a guide scope from the Oz Amazon only a few days before. Coincidence ??

I just hung up of course but I can see how many would be concerned enough to follow the prompts and end up giving them their credit card details etc.

I hate very few people but these are among the few.
Peter, I received the same call, a warning to everyone, DO NOT FOLLOW THE PROMPTS TO REVIEW OR CANCEL THE TRANSACTION, just hang up.
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Old 13-11-2021, 03:22 PM
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Opened my email this morning and there was an email in my spam folder from a hacker , who purportedly had control of my computer and if I didn't pay $xxxxxx amount within 2 days he/ they would load doctored videos to Pornhub , of me engaging in certain activities.
They could do this because they had control of the webcam and microphone attached to my PC and have been doing this since August. This is all very interesting as in the past 2 months I've upgraded my PC anyway and have never had a webcam or microphone attached to my PCs'.
I'm aware that my email address is out there, as a contact for my local astro club, something I should review I guess.
There are probably more of us out there that have received similar emails but just be aware of their scams and deception and don't fall for the crap they try to scare you with.

Stay Safe .
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Old 13-11-2021, 08:09 PM
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I thought this thread was a scam when I saw the spelling error in the heading……………..
I opened it anyway…………..
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Old 13-11-2021, 08:47 PM
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I thought this thread was a scam when I saw the spelling error in the heading……………..
I opened it anyway…………..
Very brave of you. I have corrected my spelling.
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Old 13-11-2021, 08:57 PM
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Just got a phone call purporting to be from Amazon and wanting me to confirm a purchase of an iPhone for $700 or so and asking me to ….. . Of courseI had not bought any such thing but worryingly, I had bought a guide scope from the Oz Amazon only a few days before. Coincidence ??

I just hung up of course but I can see how many would be concerned enough to follow the prompts and end up giving them their credit card details etc.

I hate very few people but these are among the few.
The few times these calls have come through, I keep them on the phone for a while. It's fun. I go through with it, make up credit card details, try and put on a different voice and accent, and just make them work for nothing.
If you pretend to be helpless but willing to fork over cash, you'd be surprised how much time they'll put into it. Which is time they aren't spending on someone who could fall for it.
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Old 16-11-2021, 08:47 AM
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Jim Browning is great to watch on Youtube.


He reverses into the scammers' call centres and computers.


https://youtu.be/le71yVPh4uk
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Old 16-11-2021, 09:32 AM
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Another scam I have seen a few times over the last month or so is a call coming though from a number extremely similar to my actual mobile number. Eg last 3 digits of my actual number is 123, I'll get a call from a number ending 124. The last 3 digits are where the number is close. I have not answered these calls and they do not leave a message.
Has anyone else received calls of this type?
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Another scam I have seen a few times over the last month or so is a call coming though from a number extremely similar to my actual mobile number. Eg last 3 digits of my actual number is 123, I'll get a call from a number ending 124. The last 3 digits are where the number is close. I have not answered these calls and they do not leave a message.
Has anyone else received calls of this type?
Hi Robert,

The world's public switched telephone network is built upon a set of
legacy protocols called "Signalling System 7", or SS7 for short.

SS7 arose in the 1970's and is a set of International Telecommunications
Union standards.

There are two components to a telephone call. The first is the familiar
voice component itself. The second are the machine to machine
messages that set up and tear down the call. This second component
is the domain of the SS7 suite of protocols. SS7 also provides for a bag
of tricks such as Caller ID, conference calling, call forwarding, call back
on busy and so on.

The beauty of SS7 being a standard is that it means someone can pick
up a phone in Iceland and dial a number in New Zealand and the pieces
of equipment at either end know what to do.

SS7 takes place "out of band", that is, it communicates over a network
that is separate but parallel to the voice link.

Back in the day before VOIP, access to the SS7 backbone was essentially
limited to telcos. For example, we were contracted by a large,
well-known telephone company some years back as part of a bigger
project to expand their SS7 feature set. The powerful computers that
added the feature set had hardware interfaces directly into this telco's
SS7 backbone. So unless you had physical access to the telco's exchange
with physical keys and swipe cards, hooking into the SS7 network
was not easy.

Fast forward to today and many VOIP providers are piggybacked into
the telcos SS7 backbone. This then has enabled them to spoof the caller
ID's that go over SS7 and appear on your phone. This is particularly
prevalent in dodgy, corrupt countries such as India and Russia.
However it has reached a point where the average joe anywhere in the
world can do it from home.

So it has become almost trivial for professional scam call centres using
software to look at the target victim number they are about to call and
then generate a spoofed caller ID that is, say, one off from the target number.
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Old 16-11-2021, 02:32 PM
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Hi Robert,

The world's public switched telephone network is built upon a set of
legacy protocols called "Signalling System 7", or SS7 for short.

SS7 arose in the 1970's and is a set of International Telecommunications
Union standards.

There are two components to a telephone call. The first is the familiar
voice component itself. The second are the machine to machine
messages that set up and tear down the call. This second component
is the domain of the SS7 suite of protocols. SS7 also provides for a bag
of tricks such as Caller ID, conference calling, call forwarding, call back
on busy and so on.

The beauty of SS7 being a standard is that it means someone can pick
up a phone in Iceland and dial a number in New Zealand and the pieces
of equipment at either end know what to do.

SS7 takes place "out of band", that is, it communicates over a network
that is separate but parallel to the voice link.

Back in the day before VOIP, access to the SS7 backbone was essentially
limited to telcos. For example, we were contracted by a large,
well-known telephone company some years back as part of a bigger
project to expand their SS7 feature set. The powerful computers that
added the feature set had hardware interfaces directly into this telco's
SS7 backbone. So unless you had physical access to the telco's exchange
with physical keys and swipe cards, hooking into the SS7 network
was not easy.

Fast forward to today and many VOIP providers are piggybacked into
the telcos SS7 backbone. This then has enabled them to spoof the caller
ID's that go over SS7 and appear on your phone. This is particularly
prevalent in dodgy, corrupt countries such as India and Russia.
However it has reached a point where the average joe anywhere in the
world can do it from home.

So it has become almost trivial for professional scam call centres using
software to look at the target victim number they are about to call and
then generate a spoofed caller ID that is, say, one off from the target number.
What a mess. This keeps getting better. Time for some serious legislation over telcos. It should be quite easy to implement geoblocks for non compliance.
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Jim Browning is great to watch on Youtube.


He reverses into the scammers' call centres and computers.


https://youtu.be/le71yVPh4uk
Firstly, welcome back Shane, it’s been a while 😀

Secondly, thanks so much for providing that Jim Browning link. I’m absolutely amazed by what these tech guys can do, - it’s mind-blowing! I’m never going to turn my computer on again, lol.
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I get the “your internet has been compromised” I first ask them for their Telstra ID number, they normally hang up, and I have a whistle next to the phone.

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Old 22-11-2021, 09:56 AM
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Thanks for your detailed reply explaining SS7 Gary.
And I agree with Marc, the Telco's should be exploring how to detect and monitor these shenanigan's. The Telco's appear to be content for the wild west to be wild?
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You really have to question what sort of person would work for scamming organisations and what the morals are of the person who perpetuates and heads these scams. Nothing really shocks me anymore. There is all manner of corruption and villainy everywhere I look. From scammers to politicians who spout pseudo science to save their own interests. Is Earth really Mos Eisley?
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Old 23-11-2021, 01:09 PM
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Jim Browning is great to watch on Youtube.


He reverses into the scammers' call centres and computers.


https://youtu.be/le71yVPh4uk
Jim Browning is great. I've been watching him a lot in the past year or two.

Recently though even he himself has been scammed :-

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/someo...nicola-selenu/
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