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01-10-2024, 12:50 AM
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As mentioned, I only know what I read online, I don't claim my information is accurate. I'm totally unfamiliar with any electric vehicles other than forklifts I worked on in the 80s as a forklift technician and electronics engineer.
Other than soon governments will figure out how to make life a paid subscription service. Of that I'm convincing myself more and more each day.
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01-10-2024, 11:30 AM
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I'm sticking with my 2009 VW Passat tuned TDI wagon 140000 klm still going strong highway cycle 4.7l/100k - over 1000 klm on a tank of gas - 0-100 7s - oil/filter change everey 12000 klm and it's probably last me another 140000 klm -
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01-10-2024, 12:00 PM
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Regards EVs and fires. The outcome is much the same between a tank full of fuel (Petrol) that has split open and caught fire and a battery pack cooking off. Funne enough you do not see the EV haters promoting us all driving diesels instead of petrol engines cars due to the significantly greater difficulty in getting a diesel spill to catch fire.
I could do about 70% of my current work role in an EV, if the percentage was just a bit higher I would be very tempted to lease something like a Kia EV6. My work is too likely though to call for me to get in and cross half of Victoria in an afternoon, regardless of the current state of charge, sometimes into remote areas that are a long way from charging infrastructure, and that is without looking at the reasons I am in a (smaller) 4WD. If it was just for commuting use I would probably be in one already.
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01-10-2024, 06:51 PM
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MY final point most EV's, except the expensive ones, are ugly
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01-10-2024, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by TrevorW
MY final point most EV's, except the expensive ones, are ugly
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And cheap ICE's aren't?
That said I've found euro styling tends to date better. Older Japanese cars remind me of brown velour suits...they dated soooo badly.
Lexus clearly have a crack baby heading up their current design team with their absurdly large grills.
It doesn't have to be that way.
Almost everything that comes out of Maranello (aka Ferrari) is beautiful and becomes a classic. BTW even Ferrari are making hybrids. Their exhaust notes are still symphonic....but as Zimmerman said "the times...they are a changin' "
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02-10-2024, 08:47 AM
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This may be of interest to a few people here:
https://newatlas.com/automotive/pana...ttery-factory/
Panasonic, a brand of National which is actually Mitsush!ta electric company (Part of the name is a naughty word in English and gets censored, hence the !, I'm not trying to fool the language censor, it's what the company is called https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panasonic) have incredibly high standards. I worked for them in the early 80s after several years at RANK where there was no quality let alone quality control, National was always spotless and a lovely place to work with the most advanced working conditions in the country at the time (38 hour week in 81). Their quality control and safety standards were always to the highest level, something I'm sure many would look for in battery production.
I'll be keeping an eye out on the release of these cells if they do get released for public access (other than just to vehicle manufacturers).
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02-10-2024, 02:59 PM
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02-10-2024, 06:08 PM
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Yeah right. Another gratuitous headline.
I did a quick web search. A total of 13 cars have caught fire. Not great...but it doesn't have quite the hysteria of "200,000" cars.
...Jeep infamously have their problems. You might want to Google a disgruntled Jeep Cherokee (non-hybrid) owner who destroyed his car due to it being a total lemon.
Seems Jeep's management have migtrated that pathetic ethos to their hybrid builds.
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03-10-2024, 08:05 AM
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Interestingly, the statistics show that hybrids (HEV) have the highest fire risk of all, followed by ICEs, with pure battery EVs (BEV) having the lowest fire risk. It seems that combining the risks of carrying around a tank of petrol with a high voltage battery is a bigger fire risk than a battery alone - who would have thought?!
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03-10-2024, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by julianh72
Interestingly, the statistics show that hybrids (HEV) have the highest fire risk of all, followed by ICEs, with pure battery EVs (BEV) having the lowest fire risk. It seems that combining the risks of carrying around a tank of petrol with a high voltage battery is a bigger fire risk than a battery alone - who would have thought?!
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I suspect this is the source of that statistic
In the same article the highest total number of fires is for ICE vehicles (12x more) but given the sheer number on the road, not surprising.
Hybrids are technically complex....and expensive from a servicing point of view as you have an EV and ICE system in the one vehicle.
Could be, required maintenance, because of cost is not being performed
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08-10-2024, 02:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Ward
...Jeep infamously have their problems. You might want to Google a disgruntled Jeep Cherokee (non-hybrid) owner who destroyed his car due to it being a total lemon.
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Going to work about 20 years ago I used to walk past a Merc A Series covered in lemon stickers and a sign on the rear window 'This A-Series is a lemon'. It made it into the media but I don't know if Merc heeded their cries.
Another fun factoid about Jeeps. I was chatting with my mechanic maybe 10-15 years ago and he mentioned the fun someone was having with their Jeep (forgotten the model). The front wheel bearings needed replacing. Trouble was the bearing was integral with the wheel hub and brake disc assembly. At the time bearings for a Toyota were ca $40 but the best they could find for the Jeep was $700 - per side. That'a a huge cost to save a bit of unsprung weight.
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09-10-2024, 01:17 PM
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This is not particularly an EV only issue currently in the news, it's several new cars with internet connectivity, the collection of what should be private driver and phone use data.
Apparently phone data has been sold for training AI.
Any thoughts (but Tesla is apparently at the head of the naughty list in relation to it)?
More a smart/connected car than EV.
There's even mention (not currently happening in Australia) of selling driver data to insurers.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/...ties/104440742
Last edited by Leo.G; 09-10-2024 at 05:44 PM.
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09-10-2024, 06:51 PM
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Privacy settings from Teslas web site can be found here.
https://www.tesla.com/support/privacy
Just double checked my settings though..just in case
Nothing there that worries me. Certainly not as bad as some other organisations in terms of what they do with our data
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