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Old 30-12-2011, 10:03 AM
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re buying an 'Up' EOS

Just wondering if anyone might have any idea on new release Canon camera bodies.I earned a little money this past year from photography,and have enough to buy either a 5d or 7d.

I feel the 7d would better suit me,as mostly into wildlife photography,if I was more into astronomy-yes the 5d would be the one.

The 7d certainly has dropped in price since it first came out,and at a DDP is approx $1350-basically the same price as DWI. I just wonder if a new model similar to it is due out soon?

A flip screen on a newer similar model,might be worth waiting for,my son has the 600D and I used it briefly over Xmas with the 400 mm L on a tripod and it makes a great difference in the field,also for astro use.(no sore neck!)

Also I have read the 7d has a high amount of noise,even at 400 iso.Which is not good,the K5 sensor in the Pentax really is streets ahead on noise.

So not sure if I should wait longer,and see if a more advanced model comes along-(I can wait-as I have a 50d,that is doing a good job).

Or take the plunge and manage noise in PP.

Any thoughts from more advanced members welcomed.Thanks
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Old 30-12-2011, 11:38 AM
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No-one knows when new bodies will be released. Don't rely on rumour web sites; those that know, don't talk. They'd lose their jobs if they did.

Go ahead and buy the best you can afford. You will gain depth of field with a full frame system and will gain reach with a cropped system. The latter is likely to suit animal photography.

You mentioned the other day that you preferred the controls on Nikon systems. You will probably dislike the controls on the advanced Canon systems, then.

I would suggest using the Camera Labs and DP Review reviews and comparison guides, to aid in your decision.

Always remember that a better camera doesn't mean it will make you a better photographer.

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Old 30-12-2011, 12:36 PM
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Edit: the 5D Mark II is not a wildlife camera. Its focusing system is not designed for fast action (although, it can be done). Its primary function is for studio and landscape work.

The 7D has a better focusing system and a ridiculous burst rate, coupled with the 1.6x reach, which is better-suited for animal photography.

The right tool in the professional Canon domain for wildlife and action (as well as 1.3x reach, being an APS-H system) is the 1D Mark IV.

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www.canonrumors.com

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Old 30-12-2011, 03:20 PM
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Morton,

That site is exactly what I was referring to in my first sentence.

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Morton,

That site is exactly what I was referring to in my first sentence.

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I've found them to be reasonably accurate (as far as a "rumours" site goes!)
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Hi Chris,

I have two 7D's, a 400D and a Hutech 450D. The 7D's have lower noise on 10 minute darks at 1600 ISO. Great for video. Won't be as low noise though as a 5D or 5DMkII or probably a 40D for that matter.
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Hi Chris,

I have two 7D's, a 400D and a Hutech 450D. The 7D's have lower noise on 10 minute darks at 1600 ISO. Great for video. Won't be as low noise though as a 5D or 5DMkII or probably a 40D for that matter.

Hi Craig-thanks,two 7d's-what on earth does a person do with two of the same model!,I take you liked the first one so much you bought another!

Really,if I get a 7d,i would be using purely for birding -no astro use at all,I would plan to keep the 400L as much as possible.

I would be operating 400 iso most of the time,my default setting is AV mode F 8,iso 400,going up to 800iso for birds in dull light.

How much better is the 7D at those iso's over the 50D?? that is my main question.My findings so far lead me to conclude that I'll stick with the 50D as there would not be a huge gain from going to 7D.
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Though as H says you can't rely on the rumour mill, there are some very strong rumours about reiterations of both the 7D and 5D line within the next 6 months. Just some food for thought

I have a 7D and it does me great, very flexible camera, and although the noise will obviously be more substantial than on a full frame body I still find it usable at iso 1600 and sometimes 3200.
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If you already have the investment in Canon lenses then the 7D isn't as noisy as is often reported, especially at 400, and would be a great choice.

The focus system in any of the Canons is not as fast or accurate as the latest model Nikons though for wildlife photography. The focus system on the D7000 slays the 5D MKII and the 7D for that sort of work. I can't comment on the 1D MK IV as I don't have one. I regularly use the other 3 though and the Nikon focus system leaves the others in the dust.
I am eagerly awaiting the next round of cameras from both Nikon and Canon though, both are overdue for a new full-frame model release, and both should be something pretty special.
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If you already have the investment in Canon lenses then the 7D isn't as noisy as is often reported, especially at 400, and would be a great choice.

The focus system in any of the Canons is not as fast or accurate as the latest model Nikons though for wildlife photography. The focus system on the D7000 slays the 5D MKII and the 7D for that sort of work. I can't comment on the 1D MK IV as I don't have one. I regularly use the other 3 though and the Nikon focus system leaves the others in the dust.
I am eagerly awaiting the next round of cameras from both Nikon and Canon though, both are overdue for a new full-frame model release, and both should be something pretty special.
Thank you Peter,for your very informed view point,I appreciate it.

If Nikon had a version of the Canon 400 F5.6 L lens,at a similar sort of price,I'd sell all my gear and astro
gear by a Nikon body and their 400 lens,and forget astro and just do birding,I like it most of all,and make
good money from it.But I think the only Nikon 400 Lens is a F 2.8,which is rather expensive!,and also very
large-it would be more awkward to take into the remote locations I go to,and wield about.The Canon 400L
is such a light niffty little lens for my nature trips.

(Yes,I know H,camera gear does'nt make one a better photographer,but I do know I have lost the very odd
shot from slow AF of the 50D,and eventually after going along the path way of photography for many years
we and some point look at specialising,and have some knowledge on what we are doing)
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Chris, every time I've borrowed or used a 7D, I've been envious of its AF capabilities compared to my 20D & 5DmkII.

I do like the fact that Canon has small stepping stones up the upgrade path for many of its lenses - e.g. the 200 f/2.8L in addition to 200 f/2L, and as you say the 400 f/5.6L in addition to the f/2.8 and f/4 DO models, etc.
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If you're going to make money out of it, why would you look at consumer level cameras? You should be looking at the 1D Mark IV for clean high ISO files, an excellent AF system, and the 1.3x crop factor.

The AF on the 7D slays the 5D Mark II. As mentioned in my earlier post.

Horses for courses -- If I was going to Antarctica for a landscape expedition, I wouldn't take my 5D Mark II with me. The cold would kill it as Michael Reichman and others have found out, the hard way. A rugged professional body designed to withstand temperature and adverse conditions (dust/snow/etc), would be the ticket.

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Also I have read the 7d has a high amount of noise,even at 400 iso.Which is not good,the K5 sensor in the Pentax really is streets ahead on noise.
While I would prefer better of the noise levels of my 7D, it is no problem at all at 400 ISO, still very good at 800ISO, and much less good at 1600 or above. But, 400 is definitely not a problem. Most of the time I end up between 200 and 800 ISO and don't hesitate to shoot at 800 if I need the speed.

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While I would prefer better of the noise levels of my 7D, it is no problem at all at 400 ISO, still very good at 800ISO, and much less good at 1600 or above. But, 400 is definitely not a problem. Most of the time I end up between 200 and 800 ISO and don't hesitate to shoot at 800 if I need the speed.

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Ok,thanks Rodger,sounds like it might be worth the up grade.I'll look at pulling the trigger on this,and move on from the 50D.
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