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Old 17-08-2022, 09:21 PM
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Artemis 1

The SLS/Orion spacecraft for Artemis 1 has begun rolling out to pad 39B at the Kennedy Space Center. It's still scheduled for an Aug 29th launch.

NASA’s Mega Moon Rocket Begins Roll to Launch Pad
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Old 18-08-2022, 03:34 AM
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... and it's there.

Artemis I Moon Rocket Arrives at Launch Pad Ahead of Historic Mission
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Old 18-08-2022, 09:27 AM
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This is exciting!
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Old 18-08-2022, 09:33 AM
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This is exciting!
Particularly for Callisto
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Old 18-08-2022, 09:39 AM
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Super exciting! I'm more excited for this than most of the Space-X launches
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Old 18-08-2022, 05:27 PM
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Sorry to be a party pooper but each Artemis launch is 4.1 billion dollars worth of US tax payers dollars on a revamped Saturn 5 down the gurgler

I watched all the Saturn 5 launches on my Parents PYE black and white TV during the late 60’s early 70’s and this is no different

Space X Starship to me is the future , cost effective, reusable , dynamic engineering and design , gargantuan power nearly 17 million pounds of thrust ( Artemis 8.7million pounds ) and all from a private company using its own funds

Don’t worry I’m still going to watch the launch ……..
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Old 18-08-2022, 07:28 PM
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I watched all the Saturn 5 launches on my Parents PYE black and white TV during the late 60’s early 70’s and this is no different
For me it was a Kreisler TV. Typical 60's unit, turn on and wait 20 seconds for the valves to warm up to get a picture. I watched all the manned Saturn 5 launches, except maybe for skylab. They were all replays as most launches were very late PM or very early AM local time.

Definitely looking forward to returning to the moon.
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Old 18-08-2022, 09:02 PM
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My eldest Aunt ( my Dads sister ) moved to LA after the War and scored a job with Rocketdyne in 1967 as a PA to one of the Managers in propulsion.
I often found a package in the mail from her with “Apollo stuff” like models , mission patches , stamps , magazines , books etc..

My Dad reckons she met Neil Armstrong but we all did , didn’t we ?

It was an amazing time !!
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Old 19-08-2022, 11:22 AM
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My eldest Aunt ( my Dads sister ) moved to LA after the War and scored a job with Rocketdyne in 1967 as a PA to one of the Managers in propulsion.
I often found a package in the mail from her with “Apollo stuff” like models , mission patches , stamps , magazines , books etc..

My Dad reckons she met Neil Armstrong but we all did , didn’t we ?

It was an amazing time !!
I was around 10 years old at this time and anything about Apollo was like gold, so getting a package like this would have been better than Christmas!

The Apollo moon landings shaped my perception of the future and my interest in astronomy and science. I have grandkids now, they will be around that age when the first Artemis mission lands on the moon, I wonder what it will be to them.

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Old 20-08-2022, 11:42 PM
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NASA Identifies Candidate Regions for Landing

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NASA Identifies Candidate Regions for Landing Next Americans on Moon

As NASA prepares to send astronauts back to the Moon under Artemis, the agency has identified 13 candidate landing regions near the lunar South Pole. Each region contains multiple potential landing sites for Artemis III, which will be the first of the Artemis missions to bring crew to the lunar surface, including the first woman to set foot on the Moon.

“Selecting these regions means we are one giant leap closer to returning humans to the Moon for the first time since Apollo,” said Mark Kirasich, deputy associate administrator for the Artemis Campaign Development Division at NASA Headquarters in Washington. “When we do, it will be unlike any mission that’s come before as astronauts venture into dark areas previously unexplored by humans and lay the groundwork for future long-term stays.”

NASA identified the following candidate regions for an Artemis III lunar landing:

Faustini Rim A
Peak Near Shackleton
Connecting Ridge
Connecting Ridge Extension
de Gerlache Rim 1
de Gerlache Rim 2
de Gerlache-Kocher Massif
Haworth
Malapert Massif
Leibnitz Beta Plateau
Nobile Rim 1
Nobile Rim 2
Amundsen Rim

Each of these regions is located within six degrees of latitude of the lunar South Pole and, collectively, contain diverse geologic features. Together, the regions provide landing options for all potential Artemis III launch opportunities. Specific landing sites are tightly coupled to the timing of the launch window, so multiple regions ensure flexibility to launch throughout the year.
Full press release, images, video here :-
https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/n...ricans-on-moon
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Awesome. Lots of people need to look up and dream again.
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Old 27-08-2022, 12:21 PM
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Artemis 1 cleared its flight readiness review a few days ago and remains on track for a Monday launch.

Weather remains 70% Favorable, Teams on Track to Begin Countdown Saturday

Currently the launch window is two hours, starting (Monday 29 August, Australian time):
Eastern - 10:30pm
Central - 10:00pm
Western - 8:30pm

You can watch it on NASA TV. Or view via the YouTube Artemis 1 Broadcast or YouTube NASA TV stream.

Edit: You can also watch via the NASA TV app, which is available on Android, IOS and Windows devices, as well as pre-installed on some streaming boxes (e.g. Fetch, AppleTV).

More here: How to stream NASA TV

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cannot wait till monday i watched the apollo launch when i was 14 i never thought i would see another
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From an aviators point of view the piloting skill of the Apollo pilots was impressive.

In recent re-enactments of the Apollo 11 landing I was looking the altitude and rate of descent on a graphic that was running in parallel with the RT chatter of Armstrong and Aldrin. The initial rate of descent looked to be 5200 feet per second...i.e. over 300,000 feet per minute!

I suspect this was a fuel conserving approach that avoided a constant rocket burn for the entire descent.

I expect the new lander will have an almost fully automated descent and landing capability...but details of this are remarkably scant on any NASA information release.
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Old 28-08-2022, 04:31 PM
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I think the 5200 was the landers total velocity. The command module orbital velocity was 5300 ft/sec, so the lander at 5200 ft/sec would be lowering its orbit. Not a vertical speed, thankfully.

Regarding a possible autoland, I once worked with a coder that wrote software for the space shuttle autopilot. The space shuttle had a full autoland capability, however, it was never used on any flight. The pilots didn't train for 5 year to let the computer do the possibly only real landing they may get.
I wonder if the Artemus crew will have that option.
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Old 28-08-2022, 05:47 PM
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I think the 5200 was the landers total velocity. .....
Yes. My error... lunar orbital velocity was about 5500 feet per second.

From an orbit of 60 miles to 50,000 feet took them about 5 minutes (?) or a much more leisurely 62,000 feet per minute.
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Old 28-08-2022, 06:21 PM
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In regard to the Apollo lunar landings ….
Armstrong was the consummate professional with nerves of steel flying any craft
Just listen to his voice ( with quality headphones on and digitally remastered audio ) during the decent when those pesky 1202 and 1201 program alarms rang through the cabin. Absolutely calm but pensive at the same time.
Switching over to manual operation of the handcontroller and flying that fragile Lem across the surface trying to find a suitable landing site, again nerves of steel
He was the right man for the first landing

Obviously those flying skills and absolute nerves of steel probably won’t be needed on the next moon landings as technology will have replaced some of the human fragility mastered by Armstrong in performing incredible tasks like the first lunar landing.
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Old 28-08-2022, 07:41 PM
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I expect the new lander will have an almost fully automated descent and landing capability...but details of this are remarkably scant on any NASA information release.
"Digital Apollo" by David A. Mindell provides a detailed account of the
design process and engineering of the Apollo flight systems including the
man machine interface. It also provides accounts of each of the landings
and what was learnt from each one with respect the design of the
flight systems.

It discusses how it was originally envisaged by some that the landing
would be fully automated. The LM was ungainly to fly, with 16 thrusters
and the main gimballed engine. Pilots had originally wanted to perform the
landings manually but in simulators they crashed every time.

The LM Digital Autopilot came into being where the pilots could insert
themselves into the loop. Inputs from the pilot were interpreted by
a digital computer and it fired the thusters, continually compensating
for the changing of center of gravity as fuel was spent and when it
sloshed around in the tanks. Even the 8-ball resembled its analog
counterpart but was being driven by the computer.

The system was capable of everywhere between and including a
manual and fully automated landing.

When you listen to the comms loop during the Apollo landing sequences
you will hear them read out what program the computer is running
during each phase. The programs were designated 'P' with a numeric
suffix, so P63 for example was the initial braking phase program which was
taking the LM to a pre-programmed landing point. It then transitioned
to P64 which was the Approach Phase Guidance which was very similar
to P63 but also included a Landing Point Designation (LPD) option.

What was cool was that the triangular LM windows were etched
with an angular scale. The etching was both on the inner and outer
panes of the window so one could eliminate parallax. See image below.
The pilot could look at the numeric readout on the computer and
then eyeball the corresponding angle etched on the scale on the
window panes and looking out into the distance that point was what the
computer was computing to be the landing point. Conversely the pilot
could look out the window, read off the corresponding point on the etched
scale, punch that into the computer and it would take them there.

Or they could punch in P67 which allowed for manual inputs in a
fly-by-wire system. For example, certain operations on the joystick
would signal the computer to hover.

Programs such as P66 would give the pilot attitude control whilst the
computer controlled the rate of descent.

I recommend the book :-

https://www.amazon.com.au/Digital-Ap.../dp/0262516101

http://web.mit.edu/digitalapollo/
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Old 28-08-2022, 10:42 PM
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"Digital Apollo" by David A. Mindell......

.....I recommend the book :-

https://www.amazon.com.au/Digital-Ap.../dp/0262516101

http://web.mit.edu/digitalapollo/
OK I'm sold. Placed the order on Amazon just now.

Having just wasted $24 on Hamacher's dreamtime drivel, I think this will be a fascinating read to compensate.
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Moonikin Campos(Commander, full mannequin), with two mannequin torsos called Helga and Zohar for the three crew.

two hour window starts at 80% chance of launch with a closing window at 60% chance of launch - at time of writing. Link shows what's what needed in regards to launch weather criteria.

https://www.nasa.gov/content/artemis-i-weather-criteria

NASA TV will start around 2:30pm today with the fuel loading.

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