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Old 24-07-2016, 10:15 PM
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The detail in the core is very nice and whatever sharpening that you've done really works for it. Some of the dusty (black) regions appear 3D compared to the nebulosity behind it.

No ringing artefacts Your previous algorithm appeared to handle the stars better in general, whether it is that algorithm or another one that does that I am unsure. The brighter ones appear more bloated, some of the magenta ones (moreso towards the north west) have halos and there are some smaller stars throughout the image that appear to have been saturated but have no lightness to them (more like small red splotches).

I don't think the above were in the original. Your new algorithm works an absolute treat with some of the artefacts that the previous one created, not sure if the new one is creating some other problems if whether it is something new entirely.

The detail around the central region in your image is far better than what I've achieved in mine! (just did a comparison)
You have very sharp eyes, Colin. Thanks for taking the time to look. Not sure I can do much better on the stars for the moment. I'm out of ideas. It's much, much harder than one might think. Very glad you like the image as a whole.
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Old 24-07-2016, 11:52 PM
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You have very sharp eyes, Colin. Thanks for taking the time to look. Not sure I can do much better on the stars for the moment. I'm out of ideas. It's much, much harder than one might think. Very glad you like the image as a whole.
It is a lovely image, don't get me wrong What I was pointing out are on minor things. It's that last few % that can be the most painstaking, learning that from experience
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Old 25-07-2016, 12:43 PM
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I probably agree with Colin's comments but never the less this is an excellent wavelength ordered emission line image of the Lagoon guys with plenty of detail and delineation between the three wavelengths, nice job. The fact that it was processed completely with your own software makes it rather incredible really

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Old 26-07-2016, 02:09 PM
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It is a lovely image, don't get me wrong What I was pointing out are on minor things. It's that last few % that can be the most painstaking, learning that from experience
Well put, Colin, and much appreciated. Slowly we learn.

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I probably agree with Colin's comments but never the less this is an excellent wavelength ordered emission line image of the Lagoon guys with plenty of detail and delineation between the three wavelengths, nice job. The fact that it was processed completely with your own software makes it rather incredible really

Mike
Thanks Big Mike. We didn't use a mask for the stars when sharpening, because we didn't want to confuse the effects of the mask with the effects of the whitening. That was probably a mistake. But we're much encouraged by your overall assessment. Will keep working on the problem, using other images.

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Old 01-08-2016, 06:33 PM
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At last we're happy with this. Inspired by Fred V, we went starless, separating each channel into stars and background. Colour balanced and wavelet sharpened the background. Then dropped in the original H-alpha stars as white.

To go starless, we used a dual approach: (1) model the bright core as radially symmetric about a centroid, and remove that. (2) Use multiple linear regression (3rd order polynomial with cross products) to model what should be "under" the star from the background, and feather heavily. (speaking of which, the 3 chooks are still laying an egg a day each).

The nebulosity is pretty much as before, but the stars are far less intrusive. They're all there, but smaller, fainter, and slightly better resolved.

Time to put our pen down on this one.

Original image here.

One vague possibility with this sort of approach is to try to guestimate the star's plausible temperature and therefore colour from the OIII to H-alpha ratio. Something for one of those rare rainy days perhaps.

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Old 01-08-2016, 10:17 PM
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Can I give a double Actually went to reprocess my M8 data recently to get closer to your colour calibration but I think I may have accidentally deleted everything except the Ha data :/

Was surfing through the exquisite detail and did find one lost green mark, presumable one single star that was removed but not replaced. Not visible unless you actually go detail surfing though

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Old 02-08-2016, 11:14 AM
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Can I give a double Actually went to reprocess my M8 data recently to get closer to your colour calibration but I think I may have accidentally deleted everything except the Ha data :/

Was surfing through the exquisite detail and did find one lost green mark, presumable one single star that was removed but not replaced. Not visible unless you actually go detail surfing though

Benchmark shot MnT
Thanks muchly, Colin. Your thoughtful input has provided us with much needed moral backbone when devising an algorithm despite repeated setbacks. Sorry to hear about your possibly evaporated OIII/SII data.

Still hoping, weeks later, to do some short 15 minute subs for the Hourglass, but 'the rain it raineth every day'.
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Old 02-08-2016, 11:29 AM
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I like the sharpened image. Nice job.

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Old 03-08-2016, 09:04 AM
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I like the sharpened image. Nice job.

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Thanks, Greg!
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