2016 census. One step closer to the police state

[xelasnave]

I got thru and they will send a form.

"They" live in a world where reality is how the department head describes it to be from his or her constructed and insulated view of the world and that view reinforced by the suck up yes men who slither around this inner fantasy world.
I have been to upper management meetings and witnessed this nonsence many times.
Offer reason common sence or reality and you are cast out as a disruptive influence and non team player.
Anyways I will do my duty and complete the form if it arrives but I may change my name a few days before as I am entitled to do...one does not need a deed poll to change ones name ...or I may not.
Alex

[rustigsmed (Russell)]

it appears the Minister for Small Business is responsible for the ABS


http://www.aph.gov.au/Senators_and_M...an?MPID=219646

http://michaelmccormack.com.au/

[rustigsmed (Russell)]

http://mfm.ministers.treasury.gov.au...ease/001-2016/

[glend (Glen)]

The Census website does not allow Android tablet access - the message returned is that the device does not meet their minimum browser standards. They never mentioned that anywhere i can see.

Xenophon and Wilkie are reporting being swamped with concerns from people confused, misinformed, given conflicting information, and unable to contact Census. They are suggesting a delay to sort out the problems. Perhaps a Senate Committee hearing is required, haha.

Alex, what names are you considering? There might already be a fair number of Yoda's.

[clive milne]

Originally Posted by Kunama

With references to the Holocaust, Nigeria's problems, parole system failures etc, it seems this thread is exposing people's paranoid tendencies....

...

Well... the truth of it is that Germany in the 30's was targeted and deliberately destabilised by foreign interests, as have dozens of other countries in living memory. (would you like me to elaborate? - it may take some time) So with the precedent being set, it is naive in the extreme to imagine 'it couldn't happen here'...
Incidentally, (this is stretching my memory, but if I recall correctly) the US explicitly threatened to destabilise Australia, economically and politically if it were to continue with a planned royal commission in to the bad behaviour of US oil companies operating in this country in the 60's. (You can find the reference in the book: Oil and World politics , if it strokes your goat)
The difference between Australia and Cuba when faced with basically the same situation, is that Cuba kicked out the corrupt oligarchs and nationalised the domestic oil industry. Where as, we licked their boots saying;
Yes, Massa.. we's be a goood little vassal state.

If anyone wants a more contemporary example of how vicious and corrupt our globalist corporate puppet masters really are, consider the history on our doorstep... ie) Indonesia 1965:
In response to Indonesia drifting to the left (with Sukarno) the CIA on behalf of the multi-nationals, trained up one of the local military thugs (Suharto), murdered all the generals opposed to the corporate whores - that being those sympathetic to Sukarno - then got the press-titutes to blame him for killing his own guys...vis a vis - communist terrorist conspiracy ~theatre~ production show... voilà - casus belli - coup d'état.
Next.... the CIA hand their running dog, Suharto, a list of 5000 'inconvenient' intellectuals.... Hello census!
his goons systematically arrest them, drag them out of university classes etc, and put bullets in their skulls.
The CIA ticks off the names one by one.



Close to one million Indonesians are butchered.

Representatives of Multi-National corporations sit down with Sukarno and divide up the countries resources, assigning management portfolios amongst his family and cronies...

The western media blinds itself to a genocide.... or rather, blinds you to a political genocide.... for profit.
For what it is worth, the strict definition of fascism is a government for, by and of the corporations... usually characterised by a totalitarian response to dissent.
As Tony said... Australia is now open for business.... and by that, he was referring to your collective cheeks, but not the ones of a facial kind.... if you take my meaning.
Any questions?

Incidentally... for those wishing to explore this a little deeper, the following article isn't a bad start... missing a few things, but still, worth a read.:
http://apjjf.org/2015/13/31/Peter-Dale-Scott/4351.html

So please... enough with the 'paranoid' - 'no monsters under the bed' canard.

And that's about as much as I want to get in to the side show of Australian domestic politics... ie) not even peripherally.

[rustigsmed (Russell)]

considering the changes are probably illegal under the Act. (they are entitled to collect statistical information only).

consider making a complaint to the commonwealth ombudsman if you aren't happy.

http://www.ombudsman.gov.au/

[xelasnave]

Glen after reading all that Clive said I think I will be well behaved and comply.
Alex

[doppler (Rick)]

I think you will be safe as long as you put something in, and it looks like you are complying. I am getting on age wise and do make lots of typo's when on the computer these days.


More reading.
Here's a detailed summary of what the ABS has been doing

http://www.rogerclarke.com/DV/Census-2016.html

[leon]

I thought August 9th was Census night, so as mentioned on ABC tonight it appears one can fill it out on paper, do it online now, or even do it two weeks after the 9th.
What is the point of the 9th being Census night ??
Apparently many have already sent back there info for the 9th August

Leon

[AndrewJ]

What is the point of the 9th being Census night ??

What is the point of the census any more, as they already know who everyone is. Compulsory collection of bank account data covers that quite nicely.
As much of our society is now privatised, no real govt based planning comes from the data, as private industry does what is good for its own profit, not societys gain or need. It is just a govt run scam to collect data on individuals for future "use".
Snowball and Napoleon come to mind in what our future is.

Andrew

[glend (Glen)]

We are all living in The Matrix. The Census is just part of the simulation.

[AussieTrooper (Ben)]

There is no census.

[rustigsmed (Russell)]

rang up just before - got through no worries to order my paper copy. will arrive in 5 days apparently.

[clive milne]

Originally Posted by AndrewJ

Snowball and Napoleon come to mind in what our future is.

Pray that it aint so... those two characters were based on Lenin & Trotsky, and that didn't work out to well iirc). Classic work though.

When you fill out your census, just be sure to enter : Love
as your answer to the question, re - your feelings towards BB.

[AndrewJ]

Gday Clive

those two characters were based on Lenin & Trotsky, and that didn't work out to well iirc)

I always thought it was Stalin and Trotsky.
Either way, it highlights how a leadership fight can completely change how information is used/disseminated
Just look at Turkey and The Phillipines recently.
Anyway, as i noted before, i am more worried that they wont be able to keep the data private or safe, based on their intended process of "swapping data" between different branches of Govt at a "person" level.
Thats a recipe for disaster.
And just to top it off, i was browsing todays Melb Age.
Bottom of page 5 is a shallow pile of drivel on how the "Top Statistician" is sprouting how secure and ready they are.
He has also been on the radio trying to say how well he is prepared.
( Wonder if he has done any statistics on "recent" data hacks, but they arent published as it might unsettle the populace ??? )
Then we go to the top of page 7
In that little beauty, the Inspector General of Intelligence and Security is commenting on how its possible for our spies to tap the wrong phones, investigate the wrong people etc etc.
"I know that accidents happen"
"How can this happen"
"Its Fat fingers"
were some interesting snippets.

How many "fat fingers" are there going to be when they start cross matching all this data.
All they need is my postcode for the Census type data.

Andrew

[clive milne]

Originally Posted by AndrewJ

Gday Clive


I always thought it was Stalin and Trotsky.

Hi Andrew... thanks for pointing that out.
The character Napoleon was based on Lenin at the start of the revolution
and Stalin at the end of Trotsky's influence... being a reference to Stalin banishing him in to exile.

The story isn't a particularly accurate analogy in that it misses arguably the
most significant aspects of the Bolshevik revolution.

The Bolsheviks were not Russians, they were predominantly Kahzars, funded by Jacob Schiff of the Wall street banking firm; Kuhn Loeb.... who was basically acting as the front man for the Bank of England ie) Baron Rothschild, who it might be argued was the 'godfather' of the Kahzarian mafia at the time.

The revolution had little to do with 'people rising up for workers rights', the common people were basically sucked in to a much larger political game.

The real reason (to my understanding) was to take Russia out of the war with Germany and the Ottoman empire... pushing Britain to the point of (risking) defeat and thus pressuring the British government to pen
the infamous 'Balfour declaration' (promising to cede Palestine to the Kahzars once the dust settled) In exchange, the Kahzar influence brokers promised to bring the US in to the war - saving Britain's backside in the process. .. The story of the Lusitania (sinking) is an interesting one if you are up for it.

It is macabre to think that the primary intent of the architects of WW1 was simply to break up the Ottoman empire such that they could squabble over the carcass.

The 1914 Sarajevo trial transcripts make for some interesting reading, as does the account of Chaim Weizmann's 'blank cheque' offer to the Ottoman's in 1910. (they rejected the overture) - it might have been 1909, I don't recall exactly, whenever.. point being, the blue touch paper was lit back then and not in 1914 as most people assume.

best
~c

[el_draco (Rom)]

Originally Posted by glend

Xenophon and Wilkie are reporting being swamped with concerns from people confused, misinformed, given conflicting information, and unable to contact Census.

yep, I am one of them...

[glend (Glen)]

I ran across this item on the ABC News website, titled "Where does my information go and why does the ABS need my name?" that is quoting the ABS census data processing director Tracey Chester:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-0...ata-go/7677240

It is a worry that Tracey does not seem to be sure about how the separation of the name, address, and other data actually takes place - other than "I guess".

In relation to why they need names, I provide this quote from the interview/article:

Ms Chester said name data was important for two reasons; it helps the person filling out the form remember whose information they're including and helps the ABS establish some of the more complex relationships within a household.
ABS agency head David Kalisch said names were required to produce quality national statistics.
"We find when people provide their name they provide better quality information and they provide more accurate information," he said.

Hmmm, so if you live alone (without those messy complex relationships that people in them don't apparently understand well enough to fill in a form) you could probably just call yourself any name you like, IF, as they keep claiming, there will be no matching downstream. Implied in the David's (the above ABS Agency Head) answer, is that people will lie to the ABS if they don't put their name on the form.

So that appears to be the basis for which names are required. Feel better? I certainly do.

I leave you with a quote from Malcolm Reynolds: "So no more runnin'. I aim to misbehave."

[rally]

About them there numbers they're collecting, - there's Lies, Damn Lies and Statisticians !

It would seem they are making it up as they go along.

Now which part of the Census Act allows them to do that, and even if they did, there would be no need to retain any of it - they can tear it off the top of the page when completed !

Originally Posted by glend

I ran across this item on the ABC News website, titled "Where does my information go and why does the ABS need my name?" that is quoting the ABS census data processing director Tracey Chester:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-0...ata-go/7677240

It is a worry that Tracey does not seem to be sure about how the separation of the name, address, and other data actually takes place - other than "I guess".

In relation to why they need names, I provide this quote from the interview/article:

Ms Chester said name data was important for two reasons; it helps the person filling out the form remember whose information they're including and helps the ABS establish some of the more complex relationships within a household.
ABS agency head David Kalisch said names were required to produce quality national statistics.
"We find when people provide their name they provide better quality information and they provide more accurate information," he said.

Hmmm, so if you live alone (without those messy complex relationships that people in them don't apparently understand well enough to fill in a form) you could probably just call yourself any name you like, IF, as they keep claiming, there will be no matching downstream. Implied in the David's (the above ABS Agency Head) answer, is that people will lie to the ABS if they don't put their name on the form.

So that appears to be the basis for which names are required. Feel better? I certainly do.

I leave you with a quote from Malcolm Reynolds: "So no more runnin'. I aim to misbehave."

[AndrewJ]

Gday Rally

and even if they did, there would be no need to retain any of it

Information is power. There is always a "need/want" by someone. ( esp those who want to make a profit vs a statistic )
Trying to remove this level of data later from a statistician ( let alone a pollie or CEO ) would be like trying to take a bone back from a pit bull.
Just look at the data this Pokemon craze is spawning.
Social engineering of where people live and go to congregate, and now it appears companies are paying to have pokemons spring up near their premises.
http://fortune.com/2016/08/03/pokemo...-sponsorships/
Your census data will become a saleable commodity when it has a name attached to it. ( Hint, I dont believe em when they say it will be split from the data )

Andrew