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Old 17-06-2012, 11:11 AM
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She's allowed her opinion, even if it's wrong.

My objection wasn't so much about her opinion, but the overall writing style. I mean, how can they be allowed to write "WTF" in a paper? Don't they know what it stands for? And what self-respecting Editor allowed that through?
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Old 17-06-2012, 11:16 AM
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Tov - Ignorance is alive and well in Townsville - Think carefully about this. It is more significant than we may have thought of at first!

There was a time, not too long ago, when an "opinion piece" or "column" was to flesh out the current stories. The journalists where the sticky-beaks that big corporations feared, snooping around with very polished know-how, and produced good quality stories.

Today, the "opinion piece" is really the old fashioned "gossip column". It is sport today (both in the press, TV and radio) to put down, ridicule, and scandalise any sense of intellect. And today's journalists are just lazy, mediocre "messengers", who lap up the clever, but purely deceitful, spun press releases that smug PR companies produce for their corporate clients.

There was time, also not too long ago, when the sport of the time was to burn all books, and crucify intellectuals, in favour of manipulative meglomaniacs. How we've come full circle.

The two articles this woman has written are symptomatic of this. She thinks she is clever, but there is nothing clever. It is just a straight put down of anything actually intellectual, regardless that in this case it is about the ToV. Coldly, she has actually fulfilled her job description. Nothing more.

Our anger and outrage would be best directed at the editors and owners of the newspapers, media and radio. Their opinion of the general public has seen the degredation of the quality of "news". Rather than seeking to promote a smarter public, they dumb down the readers with the easiest form of manipulation - HATE.

Hate for intellect. Hate for progress. Hate for our neighbour. Hate for ourselves.

This has manivest itself here in IIS too, where some people think it a legitimate sport to put down, ridicule, and deliberately misinterpret what others write.

I love the enthusiam of my fellow astronomers with the ToV. Everyone who has made a positive contribution to this thread has voiced a level headed and reasoned argument on what and how the ToV has excited them (or not, ). But directing scorn, disgust and even threats (according to the woman's second article), is not the best way to attempt to address a wider problem. Not at this woman. Not at each other.

Something to think about.

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Old 17-06-2012, 11:20 AM
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She's allowed her opinion, even if it's wrong.

My objection wasn't so much about her opinion, but the overall writing style. I mean, how can they be allowed to write "WTF" in a paper? Don't they know what it stands for? And what self-respecting Editor allowed that through?
Oh, I absolutely agree Troy. I'm getting a little sick and tired of both print and television media thinking that it's OK to use language like this. Are they trying to get cosy with the up-coming generation over some plan to maintain patronage? There's being hip and there's being lazy. Since when is it OK for someone working for a large newspaper to casually infer the "F" word? It's unprofessional at best.
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Old 17-06-2012, 11:42 AM
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I think that most of you have missed her point. It's an opinion column, not news. It's her opinion, and whilst it may not agree with the bulk of ours, are you all saying that she's not allowed it? Hmmm...
Omaroo, I think the point here is that everyone is free to express an opinion. But you are not free from any consequences that doing so would invoke.

I am quite free to tell my partner that the dinner which took all day to make tastes like crap. But I shouldn't be surprised if I find myself having to cook my own dinner the next few nights or needing to duck as the plate comes flying in my direction.

In the same way Ms Skene is free to express her opinion. But if by doing so she shows herself to be, perhaps a little on the unenlightened side of the spectrum. She shouldn't be surprised when those who actually understand the significance of the "black Spot" tell her so.
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Old 17-06-2012, 11:44 AM
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Omaroo, I think the point here is that everyone is free to express an opinion. But you are not free from any consequences that doing so would invoke.

I am quite free to tell my partner that the dinner which took all day to make tastes like crap. But I shouldn't be surprised if I find myself having to cook my own dinner the next few nights or needing to duck as the plate comes flying in my direction.

In the same way Ms Skene is free to express her opinion. But if by doing so she shows herself to be, perhaps a little on the unenlightened side of the spectrum. She shouldn't be surprised when those who actually understand the significance of the "black Spot" tell her so.
SPOT on

ED. Meant as a joke play on words
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Old 17-06-2012, 11:46 AM
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Well said Alexander.
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Old 17-06-2012, 11:48 AM
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Omaroo, I think the point here is that everyone is free to express an opinion. But you are not free from any consequences that doing so would invoke.
Not saying I don't agree. Of course I do. A bit silly on her part. I guess that if you're going to express an opinion then you'd better understand that a component of your target audience aren't going to agree with you. If you're going to do that, then at least give plausible reason for your opinion too - otherwise expect the result we had here.
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Old 17-06-2012, 01:58 PM
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Continuing on with the anonymous flurry of animated emoticons:

Sell your scopes everyone, we've been rumbled...
OMG thats hilarious
The IIS boards are getting a bit heated these days. Think I'll join a Star Trek forum and quit my day job
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