What makes Celestron better than Meade?

[DavidTrap (David)]

Originally Posted by Hypnotist

It's great to see that at least one person can give me useful and good tips out here in comparison to others who are just, how should I put it,...envious.
Bart

Thought I'd post one more time before the inevitable happens and this thread is locked.

I agree with Chris' sentiments. You only want the advice that matches what you want have already planned to do - that suggests insecurity.

I can't really see how my previous posts in this and your other thread, convey envy - I certainly don't want what you have or intend to buy. I'm proud of where I am in life. Really I was just hoping to redirect your funds towards something that I firmly believe would suit you better. You haven't made any statements to offer a counter argument to any of that advice, so I can only assume you either don't have anything to counter it or have ignored it.

As to your original question about Meade vs Celestron - they're both like a good quality mass produced car - there's very little between them. I'm very happy with the image quality of my Meade ACF scope, and many other experienced observers have commented favourably when looking through my scope. Neither of these manufacturers produce the best available scopes in the world.

Maybe one day, you'll prove yourself and someone will name a space telescope after you.

This thread will self destruct in five seconds.

DT

[CraigS]

Originally Posted by DavidTrap

This thread will self destruct in five seconds.

DT

…and 'The Hynotist' will disavow any knowledge of his actions …

[Kal (Andrew)]

This thread reminds me of a funny cartoon that goes like this, the only difference is that the people that are offering valid advice contary to what the OP wants to hear are starting to get flamed:

What a woman says:
This place is a mess! C'mon,you and i need to clean up, your stuff is lying on the floor and you'll have no clothes to wear, if we don't do laundry right now!

What a Man Hears:

blah,blah,blah,blah,C'MON
blah,blah,blah,blah,YOU AND I
blah,blah,blah,blah,ON THE FLOOR
blah,blah,blah,blah,NO CLOTHES
blah,blah,blah,blah,RIGHT NOW!

[CraigS]

Ahhh … the mighty powerful Selective Hearing Centre ... located deep within the male left brain hemisphere passing the messages via the lust lobe !!

.. I can see that, now …



Cheers

[marki]

Originally Posted by Hypnotist

Thanks so much for being so supportive and so very helpful. It's great to see that at least one person can give me useful and good tips out here in comparison to others who are just, how should I put it,...envious. Thanks again Paul!


Bart

Haha you are a very funny person Bart. Like I said about 100 posts ago you have already made up your mind so buy it already and feel comfortable within yourself that you have the best telescope in the whole wide world. It is not good form to waste everybodies time then insult them when you dont get the answers you want. I like Chris have my doubts as to the validity of any of this post. Do me a favour will you and please post 2 vids on youtube for my entertainment.

1. The first time you set it up.
2. Your first night imaging at 3900mm focal length (ps I will not need to see the pics the results are a given, bit like slamming your head in a door it's going to hurt).


Mark

[OICURMT]

Originally Posted by DavidTrap

Open can of worms now!

DT

Originally Posted by OICURMT

No point in debating.

Personal choice. Research and decide for yourself. Suggest you get time on both at a star party, it'll help in your decision.

OIC!

QFT!

[mozzie (Peter)]

yep well said the last dozen posts !!!!give a bit of advise and if its not what they want to here they get real diffencive.my only advise was be careful with the weight of the scope but they know everything and when it hits the deck and smashes the corrector plate,they will still know everything.......... im finished with this thread!!!

[Hypnotist (Bartholomew)]

Originally Posted by Omaroo

What??? You come on here and post (amongst many similar statements in other threads) a blanket rhetorical "question" that essentially states "Celestron are better than Meade, now why?". I sense troll here, and I'm sorry if I'm wrong, but your language doesn't suggest to me a modern 15-year old's writing style. Were you expecting or hoping that everyone was going to agree?



How do you think that owners of large Meade SCT's, and there are many of them here who are incredibly happy to have one, feel about that being said? Your statement flies directly in their faces and you'd be right in feeling a little of their heat. Your "research" has uncovered a couple of Meade-o-philes and you're happy as Larry to believe it all and post in agreeance. I'd like to know why you posted this question in the first place. If it wasn't to provoke reaction, you're having yourself on.

Jealous? You've been given advice by people who have all been posting on here for years. I've not seen anything to suggest that anyone is "envious" of you and trying to tear you down. Everyone has given you their reason for their advice and you're not happy to take it at face value and label it "jealousy". Golly, most of us have been there done that with large SCT's and for our own various reasons decided that it was a wrong move. That's pretty presumptuous don't you think? Paul and others have these scopes and we're all proud of what they accomplish with them. This doesn't for a second mean that the rest of us want to go down the same road as they. Plenty are taking other, equally expensive routes with high-end refractors for the reasons they've given. You're in the USA, so the 14" EdgeHD and mount package retails for around $10k. That isn't exactly an expensive scope. On top of that, at least you don't have to pay for international freight like we Australians do.



No-one here wants anything more than for you to be happy with your new aquisition - but please don't go telling others, by inference or otherwise, that their choice of scope is inferior because you choose to say so. If you truly are 15, you really can't have the experience to say that. If you want encouragement, then maybe try not offending those you ask a question of. By inferring that some of us are "jealous" of you, I suspect that you'll be taken less seriously that you'd otherwise hoped.

Come on Chris,

Believe it or not, I'm 15. Writing-style improves when studying Latin and Ancient Greek at school in addition to fluently speaking German and some French. I agree being interested in astronomy, playing the didgeridoo, hypnotizing others and baking in your free time is quite "quirky" for a 15yr old to do, but that's just me, man. Just because 15yr olds around you don't use a more sophisticated way of expressing themselves, doesn't mean I not capable of doing so. Since when are "jealousy" and "envy" the same in meaning?
The reason for posting this "Celestron is better than Meade" stuff comes from information people have given on the web. Generally you'll find people to prefer Celestron over Meade. I wanted to hear what you guys think of that!
If you think you can question me and my age, why can't I question you; how do I know you're actually as wise as you say you are? So don't come and do that again!

Bart

[Alchemy (Clive)]

If you think you can question me and my age, why can't I question you; how do I know you're actually as wise as you say you are? So don't come and do that again

Yep just baiting. I'm afraid you've lost me on this thread or any other threads you post or comment on. Goodbye

[Omaroo (Chris Malikoff)]

Bart, I'm comfortable that don't need to answer your inane attempt to question my wisdom. On reflection, and thinking back to when I was 15, I remember already constructing well-formed and articulate high school essays for English, economics and other language-driven courses. I spoke English, Russian, Japanese, some German and French too. My apologies if you assume that I was inferring that you shouldn't be capable of the same.

There's a great book written by some American called Dale Carnegie. Do yourself a service and give reading it a go. I believe that it's available in English, Latin and probably ancient Greek, French and German so you shouldn't have trouble with it.

[marki]

Perhaps a new thread giving ten reasons on why celestron and meade for that matter suck may be in order here.

1.Their marketing crews fail to draw a line between pure fabrication and reality.
2.Their marketing crews fail to draw a line between pure fabrication and reality.
3.Their marketing crews fail to draw a line between pure fabrication and reality.
4.Their marketing crews fail to draw a line between pure fabrication and reality.
5.Their marketing crews fail to draw a line between pure fabrication and reality.
6.Their marketing crews fail to draw a line between pure fabrication and reality.
7.Their marketing crews fail to draw a line between pure fabrication and reality.
8.Their marketing crews fail to draw a line between pure fabrication and reality.
9.Their marketing crews fail to draw a line between pure fabrication and reality.
10.Their marketing crews fail to draw a line between pure fabrication and reality.

Yep that sums it up for me alright

Mark

[Hypnotist (Bartholomew)]

Originally Posted by Omaroo

Bart, I'm comfortable that don't need to answer your inane attempt to question my wisdom. On reflection, and thinking back to when I was 15, I remember already constructing well-formed and articulate high school essays for English, economics and other language-driven courses. I spoke English, Russian, Japanese, some German and French too. My apologies if you assume that I was inferring that you shouldn't be capable of the same.

There's a great book written by some American called Dale Carnegie. Do yourself a service and give reading it a go. I believe that it's available in English, Latin and probably ancient Greek, French and German so you shouldn't have trouble with it.

Chris
The languages of ancient Greek and Latin are the ones that really make you sharp minded in comparison to Russian and Japanese. Also, both ancient Greek and Latin help understand the ancient (astronomical) world too. Neither Russian nor Japanese do this.

Bart

[taxman (Matt)]

To the tune of (Everybody Loves) String:

♫ Troll, troll, troll, troll, ♫
♫ Troll-troll-troll troll troll! ♫

[Omaroo (Chris Malikoff)]

Originally Posted by Hypnotist

Chris
The languages of ancient Greek and Latin are the ones that really make you sharp minded in comparison to Russian and Japanese. Also, both ancient Greek and Latin help understand the ancient (astronomical) world too. Neither Russian nor Japanese do this.

Bart

LOL! Oh man, how incredible are you? Go away sonny - you're boring! I suspect that your grasp of ancient Greek and Latin are shoolboy-standard at best, much like we all had back in junior high. You wont last long, so I needn't become worked up. An elitist little snob at 15. Too funny....man! Oh dear, we get 'em here.

I see that you've started to seed similar threads over on CN:

http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthrea...Number/4071940

Let's see how long you last there as well.

Would a mod please do us all a favour and lock this thread?

[OICURMT]

Locking this thread would be HIGHLY advisable.