Will be very interesting to see if observations/data and models significantly improve over the next few years to better understand gravity & spacetime for galaxies/galaxy-clusters.
I am still running from Brisbane to Tabulam to Sydney as driver for you know who...but I tried to buy a computer and 450d canon today ..finally got the deal set and the guy has to order it in ..I leave Sydney tonight....well no big deal I am off to Brisbane tonight..in Sydney tonight... anyways still have not got satisfactory internet access..however I have decided to write a book on the subject.. not to prove or disprove my approach but to consolidate all I have read on Newton, LaSage Dr A, String theory, big bang etc ... the market will be very narrow however I feel compelled to do so... my new friend is into astrology and it dawned on me that astrology works also by push... anyways that prospect turns a nurdy book into a posible best seller and I look forward to the nights that we can work on the project together
I know it is not accepted as total authority but the fact that I am always right suggests that I will not be wrong on this gravity push matter...
anyways after a day negotiating on the 450d body and the lap top and running about to get the cash the guy did not have it in stock..what a day... the good news is I am again talking to my Son and he, you know who and me are having dinner ask I speak..he likes her I can tell..,.
Anyways push works when you think it thru... it is difficult to thinkl that anything we have learnt in school or University may be wrong but push works...I am not easily fooled and have looked long and hard at the current gravity position..it is hopelessly inadequate..however no one will see this unless they can realise we have not learnt everything..DrA may be right and indeed Newton is right however I see noithing that downs push... in time I promise I will pove my point and as I said I will do this ... I read a maths book in the book shop so maybe I throw some of that in to add the credibility of math proof..it is very much a language.... I have learnt a bit the rest should be easy..no problems ..its just the time..you know who taught maths physics and stuff so maybe I can get bher to help...
anyways must go it is rude to talk at the dinner table let alone talk on the net...so I will go...
Sorry I can not engage and deal with the important matters raised ...
all is well life is great and I hope thats the way it is for everyone out there..
Astrology and push gravity - now you really have sunk your own boat. You have no maths to support either of these and your scientific method is flawed. I am sorry for the blunt reply but I for one do not see the funny side of this. If someone stumbles on your writings and they themselves have not researched, they may be led to think there is validity in your belief but it is only that, a belief, it is not science and there are far too many misconceptions already without you adding to it. Please understand I have no ill feeling towards you as an individual.
So Alex you're going to be the Johannes Kepler of the 21st century.
Kepler devised the laws of planetary motion at the same time as casting horoscopes for the European nobility.
Your comment on the current gravity postion as being hopelessly inadequate is only a reflection of your lack of understanding or knowledge on the subject.
I think your a bit confused Alex as to what both Einstiens and Newtons theories are actually saying.
GR is a geometric theory that describes how the presence of mass/energy, momentum etc ... affects the shape of said geometry. The theory uses a particular type of geometry (Riemannian geometry) that allows "space" to curve. However it IS NOT saying that space curves in the real physical sense, it is simply treating space as though it curves. This is a very important distinction to make. We don't even know what space physically is, we don’t have a theory to say what space physically is and therefore cannot say whether it can really physically curve or not. This misconception also appears when folks talk about "expanding space" in cosmology. A more accurate term is "expanding universe" as we cannot say whether space is really physically expanding either (GR uses the concept of comoving coordinates to describe what is often misleadingly termed expanding space). Both Newtonian mechanics and GR will arrive at the same results in cases of low gravitational potential, but one treats gravity as a force and the other treats it as a consequence of geometric curvature. So which is correct? Both are.
It is perfectly valid Alex for you to propose a theory that treats gravity as a "push" force, but your theory needs to provide the mathematical foundation that allows me calculate how fast a tennis ball will drop when I let it go, or what path my spacecraft will follow as I do a fly-by of Jupiter. I suspect however that what your suggesting is that gravity in the real physical sense is a push and I don’t think you realize the magnitude of such a statement.
Astrology and push gravity - now you really have sunk your own boat. You have no maths to support either of these and your scientific method is flawed. I am sorry for the blunt reply but I for one do not see the funny side of this. If someone stumbles on your writings and they themselves have not researched, they may be led to think there is validity in your belief but it is only that, a belief, it is not science and there are far too many misconceptions already without you adding to it. Please understand I have no ill feeling towards you as an individual.
I must confess..the astrology thing was an attention getting step... I dont believe that crap
There is only one side..the funny side.
I doubt with all the stuff out there that one additional fool banging his gums will sway the balance.
You can not insult me..all words are truth or lies I can live with both
I have not presented anything in a scientific method and have never pretended to do so.. all I have is an idea..a theory requires as you know certain things..
Still while you are here may I ask if you know how attraction works????
uneducated as it may be
but in all my 61 years i have noted that -
if there is an Arrow going in one direction - there is sure to be an Arrow going in the opposite direction
think about it !
geoff
Mmmmm if we think of radiation being represented as arrows and where they may all point and if they had a quality of push that could give an understanding of the many sourses of push ...so one could visualise the concept I suggest it couold be helpful
So Alex you're going to be the Johannes Kepler of the 21st century.
Kepler devised the laws of planetary motion at the same time as casting horoscopes for the European nobility.
Your comment on the current gravity postion as being hopelessly inadequate is only a reflection of your lack of understanding or knowledge on the subject.
Regards
Steven
Sorry Steven my reference to the astrology thing was a little cruel and provocative.. I again say I think that stuff is crap.. but if I plan on selling a book it that sort of thing one needs to do to get publicity.. a nut gets more press than a real scientist I have noticed.
I dont know much less than most on the subject I feel.. but then until I know more I wont know what I dont know now...
The current cutting edge of gravity suggests there is an interaction of particles at a quantum level..it is this approach that is said to offer the posibility of uniting the forces... via the graviton..now it works apparently and is mathematically ellegant however if they want it this way we have to face the problem that approach runs into with the apparent necessity that the particle interaction must be at twice C...
I think your a bit confused Alex as to what both Einstiens and Newtons theories are actually saying.
GR is a geometric theory that describes how the presence of mass/energy, momentum etc ... affects the shape of said geometry. The theory uses a particular type of geometry (Riemannian geometry) that allows "space" to curve. However it IS NOT saying that space curves in the real physical sense, it is simply treating space as though it curves. This is a very important distinction to make. We don't even know what space physically is, we don’t have a theory to say what space physically is and therefore cannot say whether it can really physically curve or not. This misconception also appears when folks talk about "expanding space" in cosmology. A more accurate term is "expanding universe" as we cannot say whether space is really physically expanding either (GR uses the concept of comoving coordinates to describe what is often misleadingly termed expanding space). Both Newtonian mechanics and GR will arrive at the same results in cases of low gravitational potential, but one treats gravity as a force and the other treats it as a consequence of geometric curvature. So which is correct? Both are.
It is perfectly valid Alex for you to propose a theory that treats gravity as a "push" force, but your theory needs to provide the mathematical foundation that allows me calculate how fast a tennis ball will drop when I let it go, or what path my spacecraft will follow as I do a fly-by of Jupiter. I suspect however that what your suggesting is that gravity in the real physical sense is a push and I don’t think you realize the magnitude of such a statement.
Andrew.
Valid observation and I agree absolutley with your view of "space time" and my point is and has been..GR is geometry finally..it seeks to descibe space from this position..fair enough but as you say and as I say it says nothing of the make up of space... I say space is a flow in the physical sence that provides a pressure in effect to do the work of gravity.
I simply say I can "see" how push can work..a one way message requiring no feed back or communication between bodies in effect...attraction does not work for me and I have never found any explaination of how attraction can work..I say it cant..I cant prove that... but I bet there is no one who can come up with how attraction works..well if no one knows how it works how can it be used as explaination with such casual regard?
Thank for your input to this thread it is great to see
A true scientist "understands" never "believes" - any one can have a belief but it does not make it science. Cults and fads are full of beliefs...
I agree but I am not a scientist presenting a theory..I speak of an idea and have always been open on that point..an idea can not move to theory status without experiment observation recording and predictions ( losely speaking) a theory is something more of a fact than a proposition of speculation...still we do have the theory of inflation..which although called a thoery in my view is nothing more than an idea.. and you can make a list of theories which are simply nothing more than specualtion..
If you think I am a bit lose look at inflation theory..its is not a theory yet it is claimed as such
My idea my belief as is I have stated... can I prove it..of course not..for goodness sake..I am specualting upon the theory of everything... it would take a team of hundreds to pull it into acceptable science ..so it will take me a fair while to match that I reckon.
I welcome any speculation upon how attraction work... even using a graviton
Alex,
Let me answer with counter-questions:
In your view, how Push actually works?
What is the "mechanics" of push that results in observed effects?
If you have a really good look at this "trivial" question, with your methodology it will turn out that you can not answer that either. Or can you?
You show me yours first
Of course I can show you how I think push works but you will probably want some sort of math proof
As to push I dont see it like billard balls hitting each other ..although that may be the way of.. I think particle interaction is via orbits..energy is moved about this way..maybe..I need a diagram to show it and one day when hooked up it will come..
alex
... anyways that prospect turns a nurdy book into a posible best seller and I look forward to the nights that we can work on the project together
..what a day... the good news is I am again talking to my Son 
and he, you know who and me are having dinner ask I speak
