Cost of Electricity

[lacad01 (Adam)]

Originally Posted by AdrianF

Our bill was $780 and both my wife are out all day so no one home to use power. All appliances are turned off when we go out and at night minimal lighting is used.

Adrian

Gremlins
Yep empathise with all the groans about power bills, in the same situation myself but in a household of 7 people I can see how the power gets chewed up...

[AndrewJ]

Gday Mike

Just give it a bit of time, and see what happens.

And just remember, there are now people in this
country who cant afford to live.
Its a small number at present but its growing.
Its not pessimism, its just observation of whats happening.
Andrew

[swannies1983 (Dan)]

Mate, your comments seriously made me laugh so no offense taken. This thread certainly appears to have needed it.

I probably let too much information out. However, pregnant wife = lots of hormones flying about . Have to tread on eggshells every now and then. If I keep my mouth shut long enough, do chores around the house, I can spend more time outside imaging ....or go off to AFL Grand Finals.

Originally Posted by PCH

@Steve Kinetic - thanks very much for that kind remark. I've finally found someone with the same warped sense of humour as me. I only hope Dan thinks so as well - lol. (Sometimes you can't be too sure that someone will take it in the spirit it's meant). But as you noticed, this thread did need lightening up a bit, and Dan defo needed telling too - lol. You'll never be allowed into your local "Mens Shed" if tell them that sort of stuff Dan

Anyway, wtf is this thing about blokes called Paul. It had better be good, there's a lot of us. My namesake is also the Chief Minister of the NT - not that that means much, but it's as close to fame as I'm likely to come. I wonder if he's a demi-God too lol. And, does it include that other famous PH - Paul(ine Hanson? Do tell.

Cheers,

[Exfso (Peter)]

Ken I wish I knew someone like you to get firewood off here in Adelaide, it was $320/ton last winter, probably higher this winter. Typical of SA everything is ridiculous for the consumer. You would not believe the excuses the firewood suppliers come up with, they blame the cost on everything from location to weather conditions for the price hikes, really it is just them filling their pockets, they know people cannot affort electricity for heating so they jack up the price of fire wood.

[icytailmark (Mark)]

all i can say is.... "There will be no carbon tax under the government i lead"

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

Originally Posted by icytailmark

all i can say is.... "There will be no carbon tax under the government i lead"

Oh there's a clear explanation for that, nicely explained here :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc5lj...eature=related

and on a Carbon Tax...?

There is this in 2011: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12PN66IBoPs

and this in 2009: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckcH0...eature=related

Hmmm? Yes, minds and ideas can certainly change it would seem

[marki]

Originally Posted by strongmanmike

I have tried

Mike

In the lucky country no one should be without, if they are we need to fix it before worrying about 1.3 billion people from outside. Perhaps a good example would be the indiginous people of the north of Australia....living it up, long life expectancy, first world ammenities, communities rate high on the world scale....I think not. Try no food, no power, no shelter, no doctor and no hope of it getting better any time soon.

Mark


Mark

[supernova1965 (Warren)]

I find it sad that this kind of thread is inundated when JJJ's thread on the recent Earthquake is virtually ignored in comparison of numbers of replies.

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

Originally Posted by marki

In the lucky country no one should be without, if they are we need to fix it before worrying about 1.3 billion people from outside. Perhaps a good example would be the indiginous people of the north of Australia....living it up, long life expectancy, first world ammenities, communities rate high on the world scale....I think not. Try no food, no power, no shelter, no doctor and no hope of it getting better any time soon.

Mark


Mark

Outside? so this 1.3 Billion are now "outsiders" oh I see, trash, meaningless non Aussies, who cares huh?

But you are absolutely right on this sad state of affairs with our indigenous poeple Marki...but none of these genuinely disadvantaged Australians are on this thread in an astronomical Web community of Naglers, Digital focusers and I-Pads complaining about their increased power bills...are they..?

Mike

[supernova1965 (Warren)]

Originally Posted by strongmanmike

Outside? so this 1.3 Billion are now "outsiders" oh I see, trash, meaningless non Aussies, who cares huh?

But you are absolutely right on this sad state of affairs with our indigenous poeple Marki...but none of these genuinely disadvantaged Australians are on this thread in an astronomical Web community of Naglers, Digital focusers and I-Pads complaining about their increased power bills...are they..?

Mike

It's alright Mike we live on Planet Australia obviously not on Earth as I thought.

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

Originally Posted by supernova1965

It's alright Mike we live on Planet Australia obviously not on Earth as I thought.

Hmmm yes...

Anyway, better leave it there, becoming a bit off topic (sorry)

Mike

[Solitarian]

Originally Posted by strongmanmike

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ife_expectancy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GH...verity_Map.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:De...Index_2010.png
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:20...ic_Freedom.PNG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_Index
Overall World Ranking for everything important

WOW,, google much

Wiki is my bible, I shall not think

OK , so your cup is full and overflowing and can't empathize with those doing it tough.
Hopefully we'll benefit from others misfortune when they can't afford to pay for power and the light pollution resultantly diminishes.
Maybe dark skies will loom across this lucky land once more.

The distance between haves and havenots is scarily increasing.
The poorest 20% of Australians own 1% of household wealth, the richest 20% own 70% of Australias total wealth.
Factor those statistics into your google reports and show us a seperate result for various demographic and s-e groups within Australia.

[Barrykgerdes]

Time to close this thread
Its just becoming an argument between the haves and havenots.
The wingers verses the jokers.

Barry

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

Originally Posted by Solitarian

WOW,, google much

Wiki is my bible, I shall not think

OK , so your cup is full and overflowing and can't empathize with those doing it tough.
Hopefully we'll benefit from others misfortune when they can't afford to pay for power and the light pollution resultantly diminishes.
Maybe dark skies will loom across this lucky land once more.

The distance between haves and havenots is scarily increasing.
The poorest 20% of Australians own 1% of household wealth, the richest 20% own 70% of Australias total wealth.
Factor those statistics into your google reports and show us a seperate result for various demographic and s-e groups within Australia.

My cup is far from full, it just has more in it than a large chunk of the Worlds population and I recognise this, that's all I have been saying. I live from pay to pay and struggle to pay my mortgage and electricity bills like everyone else, I am a storeperson in a factory and earn less than the average Aussie wage.

I just don't winge about everything (other than people winging about everything) when I know how lucky I am

Appreciate what you do have not what you think you should have...just a little bit more

Mike

[CDKPhil]

Mike.

This thread has nothing to do with the 1.3 billion people who do not have power.
This thread is about the over pricing of electricity in Australia, and how it effects Australians.

The only correlation I see between power companies ripping us off and 1.3 billion without power, is that those companies would drive us into the same situation.

We are been dealt an injustice. Just because there are 1.3 billion out there who are without power, does that mean it is ok for greedy companies to rip us off. The profits of these corporations do not go to the 1.3 billion people without power.
Corporations only care about profits they do not care about people.

They are taking money away from the community that could go to help those 1.3 billion.

I hope you don't take any offence to this, there is none intended.
Just getting my point across.

Cheers
Phil

[GrampianStars (Rob)]

Originally Posted by supernova1965

I don't understand $700 dollar bills our quarterly bill is under $200 we have a large screen TV HD Set top box with recording so it is on all the time Wii game DVD player 3 computers . And a projector that we bring out for State of origin and other big events. Hot water system 4 Aircon'........ Admitedly we are only two......

I hear Ya! Just got my 6 month bill $438 ave daily use 12.85 kW
Must admit clear nights are out in the obs with power off

[Paul Haese]

Just as an adjunct I thought I would add these comments.

Today I am paying for my Dad and my step mother to have a small solar system installed. They are struggling to pay a $300 bill and both are retired, although my dad goes out into vineyards at 72 and works for a bit each year to supplement the pension they just don't have enough money to take care of themselves.

The concern I think is for pensioners and people on fixed incomes. Pretty soon the average power bill will reach $2000 and this is untenable no matter whether we live in a lucky country or not. Power is now exceeding many incomes and many people are finding it tough to meet the bill. Yes we can reduce power bills, but if power keeps going up at the rate it is, then some thing has got to give in the end.

Pete, do what I do. Every time there is a storm I cruise the neighbourhood and look for fallen trees and limbs. Large ones get a knock on the persons door and I ask if they want it removed. I save them money and I pick up firewood. It costs me my time and some fuel for the chainsaw. Also buy firewood now and store it. The cost is lower this time of year when people are not using it in high demand. Buy 3 tones now and the cost will be pretty low.

I tend to agree about the comment some pages ago that said solar power should be paid back at the rate it is charged. I have always thought that I should only pay for what I use. I don't mind being paid money to deliver power as we spent a lot of money on making it all happen, but I don't want people suffering at my expense.

Mikie, you old lefty, off taunting everyone again. Yes we live in a fortunate country, but remember everything is relative. Combine all the other bills and life can start to be onerous. If it is this bad now how bad will things be when we retire? That is what I am concerned about. How will I pay my bills then? Lucky....Hmmm... Maybe.

[traveller (Bo)]

Originally Posted by Barrykgerdes

Time to close this thread
Its just becoming an argument between the haves and havenots.
The wingers verses the jokers.

Barry

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[Exfso (Peter)]

I most certainly agree that this thread has gone off at a tangent, the bickering is not what I meant to create, it was purely to point out what is happening with the cost of power, not what is going on elsewhere. I know there are disadvantaged people all over the planet, and I do feel for them, but I am only talking about local issues and the greed of the utility companies.

[CDKPhil]

What can we do about the situation Peter?
How can we reduce the strain on the Australian community?

Unlike some people I do not want to bend over and take it up the proverbial.
There are to many Australians who are suffering now. And as Paul has said what will it be like in the future.

I see people on this thread with a genuine concern about the welfare of Australians. (not their hip pocket, as some might suggest).

I think one solution might be a de centralisation of power production.
( Have community power generators) run by the local people owned by the local people..
This would be hard to implement in big cities but for rural towns I think it could be achievable. Solar, and wind.

There a problems with base load power and setup costs. But if the Government was serious about reducing greenhouse emissions they might offer some sort of grant.

I guess self sufficient homes are out of the question due to cost. But surely with all of the great minds out there, there is a way.

Cheers