a timely question

[CraigS]

Originally Posted by Brian W

Hi Craig, the instant replay has been watched and the head referee rules no foul.

My first question as well as my newest question are both -cause and effect- questions'

-Is it also fair to say that -change- creates time-

-does change cause time or does time cause change?-

However I believe you are correct in that there is no way to run an experiment to find the answer to whether or not time is -causative-.

But if mere speculation will be allowed for a moment? Perhaps time is a fifth force only instead of holding things together it is the force that demands change.

But as you say in this paradigm there is no way to test such a thought! But it has been an interesting thread, at least for me.

Brian

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Actually Brian, I think Steven and Carl come up with the 'no experiment' part of it (thank goodness !!).

As an aside, I also notice that the word "creates" implies a change of state also … can't do that if there's no time.

My brain hurts !!

Interesting thread, though Brian.

Cheers

[Karls48 (Karl)]

Originally Posted by renormalised

If time doesn't exist, then there is no cause and effect, as we understand them. The same can be said if time is nothing more than an illusion which is generated by the observer/observed and/or consciousness. In either, cause and effect can be seen as nothing more than experiences which will either be separate from one another or occur simultaneously, depending on the point of view of that entity which experiences them.

Exactly, Carl did express what I could not with my limited command of the language.

[snas (Stuart)]

Given that entropy increases with time, does time cause entropy to increase or does entropy cause time to ..... be??? Or not?

[avandonk]

As a final little thought if a photon had consciousness as far as it is concerned it traverses the known universe in an instant. So where is time now?

Consciousness or our reality is just our memory of all that happened since we were born. Without memory there is no meaningful existence.
We would just be automatons.



Bert