What is gravity?

[marki]

Originally Posted by Peter Ward

But it's obvious. Gravity works by suction!

Thats what I have been saying all along . Stuff the Higgs boson, it's simply a partical physicist's phantom. I propose a new search for the "hoover particle" .

Mark

[AlexN]

hoover particle.. I love it... hahaha!

[marki]

Yeah it has a long tube out the front so that would explain the string bit

Mark

[xelasnave]

The matter can be put to rest easily....

If gravity sucks let someone step forward and describe the force they call "suck"..let them explain how attraction works...neither of such should be a problem if our science is up to it.but it is not up to explaining attraction...so I say something that can not have a reasonable basis in scientific observation and expalined in a similar manner is a myth..attraction is a myth..if it were not a myth someone would jump forward and expalin it..they wont because they can not...yet as there will be no explanation as to how such works or how attraction works we must consider that just maybe such forces actually are nothing more than an attempt to unite human experience with science..attraction is only a human perception and not a physical reality....

but that is attraction for you..you think it is a reality and yet it simply does not exist for if it did there would many folk here seeking to expalin it ..scientifically...a
alex

[marki]

Alex, I am not sure if you have noticed but I am having a bit of fun here and in no way taking any of this seriously . No one can explain what gravity is right now because we don't know, simple. The push theories were eliminated many years ago because there were just too many things they could not answer or predict. If it's your thing go for it.

Mark

[AlexN]

No matter how you look at it or which theory you chose to pursue, nobody has fully explained either push gravity or attraction... Why, because nobody knows for sure. The fact is this.. if someone in the pursuit of proving attraction may stumble across the answer in push gravity, and that would be an advance in science. Alternatively, someone in the pursuit of proving push gravity could well find the answer in attraction, and that too would be an advancement.. at this stage, both theories have merit.. and both hold significance until either can be proven.

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by marki

Alex, I am not sure if you have noticed but I am having a bit of fun here and in no way taking any of this seriously . No one can explain what gravity is right now because we don't know, simple. The push theories were eliminated many years ago because there were just too many things they could not answer or predict. If it's your thing go for it.

Mark

Mark I too have fun with all of this.
Of course no one can explain gravity yet..but I certainly think it is presumptious of GR to claim it has it all worked out... it has not and can not..
As to push gravity being put to one side that is simply because attraction has confused folk... there is a conspiracy by those against push..just look to see how many words can substitute for push...not one... this has come about by a removal and destruction of words that even suggest push... they fear push because it is the truth...
But dont worry whilst they dont know how push works they will not invent a better atomic bomb like I have
alex

[AlexN]

^ LOL..

Keep that secret safe Alex.. That is the last thing the world needs!

[marki]

OK then I will expand my proposed research to include both the hoover and the roger ramjet particles. It should be easy to find as it will have a rocket up it's clacker and be pushing all the other particles around .

Mark

[TrevorW]

The particles will be renamed from Gravitons to Grabiton's two Grabiton's working in union will form a Clutch, four will be a Holdon and six will be a Nudge while 8 will form a Suckit and see while the magical 16 Grabiton's will acheive a Push. Unfortunately no one can expalin why Grabitons must be even numbers to work and cannot function in a a prime or singular state, however theorists summise that such even number's hold true to attraction whereas odd numbers cause friction. As too the string theory scientists keep asking the same old question "how long" and keep getting tied up in that.

Suffice it too say that N, GR, GUT, SUT have not yet resolved the issue and no one dares contemplate Grabitons with a negative charge state for fear of being left in the dark.

[shane.mcneil]

Who knew that this thread would end up here??? That's the Uncertainty Principle for you.

Shane

[avandonk]

Gee I have done well. My putdown was top class. When some years ago I was pulling 8g+ sustained and the cowling and bit of the prop was all I could see, the only action was to back off. The alternative was total blackout.

I backed off!

We will always wonder what reality is. We will never know for certain!

Even that statement is open to conjecture!

bert

[xelasnave]

Bert when you accept that reality is a personal thing unrelated to facts or circumstance you have arrived.

One step at a time however.

If we are to select a Universe in which we contend certain forces do certain things perhaps we should observe and establish how each force we seek to enlist actually work... so lets start with attraction ...how does it work?

To make it simple lets place two balls in "nothing" and figure what is going on...

Does ball one send a message to ball two telling it where it is etc and likewise back the other way??? how is that message conveyed..particles or a wave...how /... simple how???

Not that I can say how a push may work but just bumping into each other will get us by without bending anything... we can even do that without an aether if that makes folks happy.

As to the uncertainty principle it has become the tail wagging the dog it is a rule of exception yet becomes the main point of focus in taking some stuf forward...

I was thinking that we could seek a different approach as to gravity..GR says its just a property of space brought about by the bending of "space time"...

OK again if we are to sound smart lets define "space time"...sounds so neat and so very mysterious... but is it a big deal yet no one can tell exactly why...

I could be convinced with the most simple arguement that could present the premise of GR...but I suspect all will say .."oh you need the math etc...no no no..I need only the premise... what is it? can it not be put forward in a statement explaining the idea and what it does for us...I will trust that the math proof given the number devotees and believers in GR is correct ...but what is the premise that this math seeks to support and built an existence upon.

Also if gravity is due to the bending of "space time" how is it bent..and a reply saying it is matter that does it should contain an explaination as to how the matter communicates with space such to creat this bending....
Still before we get there lets inspect the premise of GR...who feels comfortable with the subject such they can post a short outline of the premise of GR.

AND whilst we are at it and given I have to go bush now and must say it now or miss the opportunity.... if we have no aether what can we really call nothing (as in voids etc) and still keep a straight face. Nothing needs the recognition that it is in fact everything.

alex

[jjjnettie (Jeanette)]

So glad you came into this discussion Alex. I thought of you the minute the thread was posted.

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by AlexN

^ LOL..

Keep that secret safe Alex.. That is the last thing the world needs!

But it will be more efficient and smaller ...the price should be such that anyone could afford one... surely any grasp at morality by keeping it under wraps can be set aside given the jobs and trade created.

If we are to be limited to things we need as humans to live happily we would get nowhere... I have a lot of things I dont need, that have little use even if you took them out of the box etc...and sheds are full of stuff no one needs, lives are full of stuff no one needs and so holding off development of a new and more efficient ATD (aether trapping device) on that basis would seem contrary to the way humans do things.


alex

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by jjjnettie

So glad you came into this discussion Alex. I thought of you the minute the thread was posted.

Hi Jjjnettie I dont know what it is but so many folk think of me when gravity is mentioned which is strange for I have no more interest in gravity than anyone really and it forms only 60% of my conversations with others...as is the case will all folk I suspect..after all gravity is one of those subjects that everyone loves to talk about dont they???

Gravity is natures way of saying to humans they are not as smart as they claim... for if they were as smart as they claim they could answer the simple questions relating to gravity that must pop into most folks minds ...questions such as I have asked above..simple question deserve simple answers...
alex

[AlexN]

i was thinking the same thing jjj. I had not seen a post from alex in quite some time, i saw this post and thought, if alex is around, he'll post in here for sure. I've really missed some of these in depth science discussions on iis and hope to see more of them.

[Peter Ward]

Originally Posted by marki

I propose a new search for the "hoover particle" .

Mark

That's already in the bag.

[sjastro]

Alex,

Your repetitious tirades against GR and the role of maths, frankly is becoming quite tiring, and only serves to illustrate you have no understanding of either subject.

I have explained to you on numerous occasions how GR works from a non technical viewpoint. Whether you accept it or not is up to you, but please don't regurgitate the same questions and statements that have been dealt with in the past.

Steven

[shane.mcneil]

What an interesting discussion. I wish I could say that I understand everything that's been said.

However I think I have found the problem. Clearly reality is at fault and needs adjusting.

Shane