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Old 05-08-2005, 03:14 PM
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Old 05-08-2005, 03:33 PM
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Ok. Just finished reading your review David. Thanks for that. Any opinion up-dates to you review after having owned the TV for awhile?

Hopefully, someone that owns one of those Meade 5000 plossl's will step in here as well & tell us what they think of it..Perhaps I'll just have to buy one of each lol
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Old 05-08-2005, 03:42 PM
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i exagerated when i said it had to be pulled out bt 5mm. its more like 2 mm. anyhow its a good EP.... anything else you wish to know?
its crisp as!
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Old 05-08-2005, 04:05 PM
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Nope! that will do for now mate, thanks. Just biding my time now till a meade 5000 owner steps in.
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Old 06-08-2005, 12:52 AM
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Well. There's obviously no meade 5000 owners here. I'm opting out on the meade 5000 series plossl....Just read about 50 reviews on em' & I'm not all that keen on taking the risk to see if their ok or not. The occasional coating sleek, the grease, the field stop reflection/illumination problem.....QC problems in general is enough to put me off.

I'm going with a 20mm TV plossl, for several reasons. 20mm will give me decent views of nebulae, globs & general low-mid range observing. Not a great wide view EP at 50o but that's what I'm used to anyway. 11mm of eye relief is ok too.

This EP barlowed will be good for mid range planetary views & the likes as well. originally I was going for the 11mm Plossl...but this barlowed 290X would not be obtainable very often. The 20mm will be used more often by me, barlowed & not. 10mm FL giving me a mag of 160X is my optimum for planets such as jupiter & saturn. Good for detailed work on globs etc as well.

I know it's not a premium ocular, especially for an F/5 scope. But it's about the closest I can come to one at this stage.

What do you think guys? A good decision, or not?

Opinions/comments on my choice highly appreciated.
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Old 06-08-2005, 01:06 AM
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Antares Elite plossls are a quality 5 element design the same as the Celestron Ultima, Orion Ultrascopics and are just as good as TV plossls according to some.

http://www.oneilphoto.on.ca/antares.htm

Joe is a great bloke to deal with and I have no hesitation to recommend him.
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Old 06-08-2005, 01:22 AM
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Yes, I've read their fairly similar in quality. Slightly cheaper than a TV as well. I have a 24mm ultima that I really like, & would not part with. My 15mm parks gold series is a keeper too. I just figured it was about time I found out what's so good about a televue EP

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Old 06-08-2005, 07:48 PM
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John, I have a series 5000 UWA 6.7mm. Good EP. Just dont want you to think that there are no owners of 5000 series EP's.
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Old 06-08-2005, 07:52 PM
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BTW, TV is a good choice and the focal length will serve you well, for many years. Great choice.
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Old 06-08-2005, 08:30 PM
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Last time I saw Striker he had a couple of the new Meade Plossels but that was a month ago and he may be on his next set of eyepiece by now
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Old 06-08-2005, 08:38 PM
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A month ago? Yep...they would have been sold 3 weeks ago surely!?
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Old 08-08-2005, 11:37 PM
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My thoughts.....
When I got my Meade 6 inch F3.6 Cometracker it was "ok" but nothing brilliand using the supplied 25 mm MA eyepiece. The Type 2 Naglers were not long out and I had the money for a 16mm one. Upon putting that on the Cometracker, it became something else entirely, a true rich field scope, and not just for night use. Scanning along the beaches of a day, it is just incredible with the Nagler, sharp across a good part of the field little bit of fall off at the edfges but not too bad. The Nagler does a great job on my 10 inch as well.
With a Meade air spaced triplet 2.8x barlow and the 16 Nagler on the Cometracker it gives surprisingly good views of the planets too, tack sharp resoloution.
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Old 09-08-2005, 03:55 PM
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I ordered the 20mm TV plossl today, should be here in a few days. I nearly went a meade plossl as well, but I talked myself out of that. Also very nearly went the nagler 4.8mm for $ 260....Couldn't work out why that particular nagler was half the price of most of the other naglers, but after reading plenty of reviews, I think I've worked it out. I won't be going near that one either..

A full review on the TV plossl will be done & submitted to Mike. Thanks to all the guys for their advise.
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Old 09-08-2005, 04:33 PM
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Old 09-08-2005, 05:57 PM
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Old 10-08-2005, 10:48 PM
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All Televue Eyepieces are very good, Yes they are better than any EP I have looked through include Pentax and Meade 5000 series. They are not a status symbol, they actually are the best. I own a good range of TV Eps and they are way above all the other EP's I own.

Pans are more expensive than Naglers BTW.

Incidently, only people who don't own TV EP's give them a less than perfect rap. Funny that. Wannabees.
Not to rub salt into any cuts or sores, But I think with the above statement(s) will open you up to some personal attacks personally I think they are a tad well opinionated, and not necessarily correct as a whole. But that's ok you have the right to one. But as you say “sarcasm is the lowest form of wit”

This last weekend I managed to test/try/compare the Naglers and Meades SWA series you guys are talking about against my Pentax XW's. Generally they are all excellent ep's but I do find my XW's allot more contrasty in comparison and tend to bring out the finer detail in objects a lil better. None of the Naglers gave me more of the so called "space walk" than I get from the XW's. So the different between 70 to 82 was very marginal. I tend to find the coatings on the XW superior giving me an overall darker background with a more neutral look to star fields. Astro_souths 31mm t5 quite an outstanding ep by the way, as long as you kept the field static. The pincushion effect really disappointed me and did my head in more than a lil. I have to say it is no longer on my wishlist. Houghy 20mm t5 did have me looking for the green texter and my 30mm SV still not as contrasty as the XW's. Houghy's new SWA's are incredibly BIG but I have to say I wasn't happy with the off axis look, but on axis there were spectacular. Scope used 8" f/6 newt.

Later me and Astro_south compared his 13mm t6 with my 14mm XW through his 12.5" dob the difference was marginal if at all, personally I felt the contrasty XW brought the detail out in NGC253 dust lanes a tad more. But he would probably say the same about the t6.

Btw, this is only my opinion but seems to be resonate with all XW owners most of which who I have spoken to were and are still Nagler owners. I think Nagler may have been at the top of the range at one stage but they are no longer the only ones there

Think of this, When you buy Pentax they are made by and coated by Pentax opticians. When you buy Nagler today they are not grinded by Al Nagler anymore they are tested to a set of variables set by Al Nagler and coated by TV. Essentially your paying to have Al Nagler approve someone out sourced work and have him then put his name on it. If I were paying AUS$995.00 for say a 31mm t5 I would want Al to personally grind it.

Here’s another take completely off-topic. Some years back I was working a for a promoter called Micheal Edgely. I along with his accountant we were giving the job of driving his sexy red Ferrari from Sydney to Brisbane so he would have it to drive around up there, it was one of those performance types the name I forget. I was so excited to get the chance to drive one of these beasts I found it hard to get any sleep the night prior. Anyways this thing stuck to the road like glue and if anyone got in the way, hell! down went the foot and see you later. Nothing like pulling up next to chicky babes in this thing : ) and boy did we get some looks. The day after we arrived I noticed my back was a lil sore and I happened to mention this to him. His reply was “That’s why you guys drove it up, the damn suspension does really kick in until your doing 150mph plus” so the ride was a lil firm. He also had a Merc 500 up in Brisbane which he drove personally all the way to Melbourne. While down there I had the chance to drive it out to the airport to pick up an entertainer. The noticeable difference was the smooth comfortable ride it was it was luxury with a capital “L” both cars were top notch

I find the difference between Nagler t’s and Pentax XW’s the same. I am pleased I ended up going with the XW’s they are the creams of creams when it comes to comfort an long periods of observing, personally I think the Nagler is way over rated

kindest regards, CS
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Old 10-08-2005, 11:05 PM
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Rob I own 10.5mm and 14mm Pentax XL's and can relate to your experiences re contrast vs the naglers. A good few months ago when Saturn was still around I had the opportunity to compare my Pentaxs with a large selection of naglers.

I was finding my XL's barlowed were bettering the equivalent type 6 naglers unbarlowed in terms of scattered light, and equalling them in sharpness given that both were limited by the seeing, which was better than average on the night.

I do own a 31 nagler and know what you mean about the field curvature, still I love it

Conclusion: Televue isnt the only show in town at the top end of eyepieces.
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Old 10-08-2005, 11:25 PM
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My opinion doesn't count here no doubt, not owning either a nagler or a pentax. But judging by the numerous reviews I've been reading over the past week, WHEN my budget allows, my first premium EP will be a pentax & not a nagler.
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Old 10-08-2005, 11:34 PM
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My 10mm & 14mm XW's barlowed x2 are spectacular planetary ep's I'm looking forward to accqiring the 7mm and 5mm XW's so I can toss the barlow lol

I was going to drop the 20mm XW and get the 20mm t5 but I'm also now having second thought about that too. I like the sound of similar look with different focal length... something that is lacking in the Naglers.

Dont get me too wrong I liked the 31mm t5 but it is an ep size I would use to scan the sky with. But as I mentioned scanning the sky with it made me feel as Astro_South say's "Sea Sick"

It all boils down to personal preference, I try to avoid bad mouthing ep's at the top of the range. As John B say's we're splitting hairs what one lacks the other gains or excels

regards, CS
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Old 10-08-2005, 11:41 PM
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My 10mm & 14mm XW's barlowed x2 are spectacular planetary ep's I'm looking forward to accqiring the 7mm and 5mm XW's so I can toss the barlow lol
If only they came in 6mm I would already have one
Im thinking maybe a 6mm radian might be the go , but I would have to try and compare first.
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