The world is stuffed.... - Page 3

ballaratdragons (Ken) · #41 03-06-2005, 03:17 PM

They say that 'Man' is the superior being on this planet.

Do apes and snakes and birds and frogs bomb each other, pollute the sky and waterways, make plastic bags or dump oil. No!

Also, I am fed up hearing people complain about Earthquakes demolishing their homes and yet they build or rebuild on Fault Lines. There is a new estate in California built on the San Andreas Fault called the 'Fault Line Estate'!!!!! Apparently it is 'Trendy' to build there.

Man, in general, is greedy and 'I want it my way and I want it NOW!' Many places on Earth were not meant to be inhabited. Us Aussies aren't much different. Visit the site of the Ash Wednesday bushfires and see how many people rebuilt wooden houses surrounded by trees. Duh!

Even though we humans discover medical breakthroughs, build infrastructures, aim to better our lives, we are not a bright bunch. We can't see the forest for the trees. We really haven't learnt from our past.

I don't know what the answer is, and I don't know if the majority would accept major change. I am guilty. I won't part with my car, telescope, TV, DVD, etc. but there must be a way of having our treasures and not destroy our Planet as well.

I'm waffling!

ving (David) · #42 03-06-2005, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ballaratdragons

They say that 'Man' is the superior being on this planet.

Do apes and snakes and birds and frogs bomb each other

I happen to know for certain that birds do.

acropolite (Phil) · #43 04-06-2005, 07:21 PM

Ken said

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They say that 'Man' is the superior being on this planet.

Do apes and snakes and birds and frogs bomb each other

ving said

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I happen to know for certain that birds do.

Birds do it to survive and don't use nuclear bombs, napalm etc....

cometcatcher (Kevin) · #44 05-06-2005, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ballaratdragons

They say that 'Man' is the superior being on this planet.

Do apes and snakes and birds and frogs bomb each other, pollute the sky and waterways, make plastic bags or dump oil. No!

No but I bet they would if they could! They just haven't figured out how to yet! I've seen one too many animal programs to know they can be just as violent as us.

If we continue in or present direction yes we're doomed. Ah well we may as well do it and make big boom (as they say in mythbusters). If not us it will be some super intelligent roach in 1 million years time that presses the big red button with it's hairy legs.

Help save the world. Everyone plant a tree.

Mick (Michael) · #45 05-06-2005, 09:33 AM

I'm with you Kevin. We are animals but we can't act like amimals but we do

I'm of to see some real animals now with my boy "Madagascar" Funny how we make movies about animals that act like us. I may just plant a tree as well.

Sausageman (Mike Boggan) · #46 05-06-2005, 02:58 PM

You guys are all missing the problem.
The problem is caused by the short terms in politics.
The Pollies are only interested in the next 3 or 4 years, so they can get re-elected. None of them are interested in the long term solutions to the Planet as a whole. It doesn't matter which Country we talk about, they are all the same. Power and money is the driving force.
They don't give a s**t about the future. They are only interested in the now and how much money they can get.
Let's look at the fuel prices...
They dominate the Worlds economy now. not our Govt's. In the future Multi-national companies will control everything, as long as people buy shares, (the rich of course),
Governments will become in-effective,
Lets not forget that Australia was supposed to be 80% self sufficient in oil production back in the 70's. So why are we paying World prices now?
If polititions keep up this attitude, they will kill us all.
We won't need an asteroid.
Greed will do it it.

Mike.

acropolite (Phil) · #47 05-06-2005, 05:31 PM

Well said Mike, one of the problems is that we can all plant a tree as Mick suggests, but at least here in Tasmania, logging interests will cut down far more than we plant (many times more) and governments are making the average joe act more responsibly whilst at the same time letting (some) big business get away with unsustainable practices. Our Tasmanian government has spent 1.5 million of Taxpayers money on a spin doctoring campaign promoting a pulp mill (PRIVATE) which will use more power, more water and more of our valuable forests. The company proposing the pulp mill is the very same company that are taking Bob Brown and many others to court because they have had the courage to stand up and protest. All this at a time when we are in the midst of the longest drought in history, our water (hydro) reserves are so low that we may face power restrictions.

cometcatcher (Kevin) · #48 06-06-2005, 01:10 AM

Yeah I know but it's worth a try!

I can see the future of the planet as one big parking lot.

Can't remember which channel I saw it on ( I have too many) but they showed satellite pictures from space of the change in greenery in just 30 years. Was astounding. Welcome to the new Venus.

ving (David) · #49 06-06-2005, 09:08 AM

yup,mike, thats it.... votes.
:/

MiG · #50 06-06-2005, 04:18 PM

"You guys are all missing the problem.
The problem is caused by the short terms in politics.
The Pollies are only interested in the next 3 or 4 years, so they can get re-elected. None of them are interested in the long term solutions to the Planet as a whole."

No way. The voters are the problem. Long term politics is useless if you never get into a position to enforce it.

"They say that 'Man' is the superior being on this planet.
Do apes and snakes and birds and frogs bomb each other, pollute the sky and waterways, make plastic bags or dump oil. No!"

As far animals not doing all these awful things. Well, they are just too dumb. We marvel at a cat that figures out that the humans control the warm air coming out of the heating vent. Yet when you think about it, that would be an incredibly stupid human if that was all they could understand . Pretty much all animals know is how to eat and reproduce. Besides there are plenty of cases of animals living beyond their means by wrecking their environment. Also, what is your explanation for cats and dogs maiming or killing other cats and dogs? This is not for survival. Actually that brings up another point about cats. They kill birds, mice and other wildlife for fun.
You can say that humans as a whole aren't that wise, but you certainly can't deny that we are orders of magnitude more intelligent than the animals. The fact we are so intelligent is the reason we are such a danger to the planet. We are powerful and we introduce sudden changes. Our bodies and the planet have no time to adapt and even out these sudden events.

ving (David) · #51 06-06-2005, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MiG

Actually that brings up another point about cats. They kill birds, mice and other wildlife for fun.

dolpnins do this all the time too. they "play tennis" with other marine life belting them around just for fun them leave them when they stop moving...

cometcatcher (Kevin) · #52 06-06-2005, 04:51 PM

The ABC showed a program on apes a few months back where they murdered each other. Why? Some kind of complex social reason from memory.

With more intelligence comes more power and seemingly more destruction on a grander scale.

It makes me wonder if any alien race can survive the technology hurdle. In the universe perhaps it is the norm for the dominant race of the planet to grow smart and then self destruct long before they get the chance to travel to the stars?

MiG · #53 06-06-2005, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by cometcatcher

It makes me wonder if any alien race can survive the technology hurdle. In the universe perhaps it is the norm for the dominant race of the planet to grow smart and then self destruct long before they get the chance to travel to the stars?

That's an interesting idea. I don't see why our lack of wisdom and penchant for destruction should be such a unique thing in the universe, so it's quite possible.

cometcatcher (Kevin) · #54 06-06-2005, 05:13 PM

Perhaps that's a contributing factor why SETI has found nobody home. Most of them are cinders. That's a horrible thought. I hope it's not true.