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Old 20-04-2006, 11:20 PM
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Ving: those images were taken with a Sony bullet camera plugged into a panasonic camcorder.

David: I was only using a 3x barlow for those images. No ep's and the lense from the camera was removed. Hmmm I just thought, the distance between the Barlow lense and the CCD will affect the focus as well as the distance from the secondary mirror to the barlow, right??? I seemed to get good focus on themoonhowever so it can' tbe that bad.

I could see the bands when looking through the ep but they faded in and out. After reprocessing the images I can clearly see the bands in the photographs. I found the wavelets section had a big impact on image quality. Setting wavelets 6,5 and 4 to 30,20 and 10 respectively did wonders. I played around a little more from there but only got small improvements.

I tried the star test thing with that link. I think the seeing is about 2-3 but I would have thought it would be better than that (no wind, no clouds, no moon but in dark backyard of Perth). Interestingly the abberations seem to form 3 prongs from the center rather than a full circle. Does this mean I have alignment problems? This is meant to be done focused on the star right?

Still waiting on a laptop to get the logitech webcam going. I installed the K3CCD software on the desktop and had play. I can change the exposure and a heap of other setting so hopefully I can get better images even though the resolution of this camera is much lower than the bullet camera.

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Old 20-04-2006, 11:34 PM
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Hey brett and andrew, here is a tut i wrote last year before i had tracking

http://precons.com/iceinspace/Articl...otracking.aspx

Also brett, seeing is mainly to do with the quality of the image / view. The word transparency helps describe the prescence of clouds / moon etc.

Ie you can have a great seeing night, ie the planet or star does not shift or bulge or go out of focus, but then clouds come in and stuff up the view. so seeing is great, transparency is bad.

It also sounds like the scope is out of collimation (aligmnent).

You find a nice bright star at least 60 degrees above the horizon and then slightly defocus in both directions. This is called a star test. the defocussed image has to be perfectly concentric.

This is a great article, it gets a bit tricky later, but you can get the idea.
(http://legault.club.fr/collim.html)

If the scope is out of collimation, then your views / images are not as good.

Were the three prongs only on one side?
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Old 20-04-2006, 11:57 PM
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Ok, here is some wavelet example that i tend to use always.

Seeing was 7 to 8/10. 200 odd frames were used.

The last lot of wavelets is just starting to push it just too far in my opinion.

Also notice the RGB align i have done by pressing estimate and the colour channels have been amended
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Old 21-04-2006, 08:05 PM
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David,

So seeing is only related to how the atmosphere affects the view via that 'heat haze' effect. Assuming tranprancy is good ie no clouds etc. Is seeing a result of temperature gradients in the atmosphere?

The three prongs I see are in an even pattern ~120degs apart but one is smaller. The "defocused" star seems to produce a rounded triangle pattern so it does look like the scope is out of collimation.

I found a description on the net how to align a reflector (http://www.btow.com.au/pdf/tips/Collimation.pdf). I've done the daylight basic alignment and now need to do a star test to get the fine alignment. Will be very interesting to see the difference. It did need a bit of movement in both the primary and secondary mirrors.

I also managed to get the webcam going for a short while before the batteris in the laptop died. Not long enough however to get any video though. The resolution is really bad so I'm not too hopeful for the webcam.

Starting to get dark now so let the fun begin

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Old 22-04-2006, 11:28 AM
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hey brett, you 3" pics are showing almost as much as my 8"

davo, i could be wrong but registax doesnt process mpegs does it... I am thinking of ways to get movies down rather than just single frames
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Old 22-04-2006, 12:24 PM
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hey vingo, bink and smacker from rad video could easily convert mpeg to avi i am sure, have you any mpeg to trial.

download bink and smacker from rad video and we can check it out on one of your vids once converted to avi
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Old 22-04-2006, 12:27 PM
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i dont currently....

the problem with this is going to be that i cant adjust very much in mpeg mode. it might just get burnt out.
i'll give it a shot tho... otherwise its just a case of getting the most out of single shots
i may very well have reached my limit
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Old 23-04-2006, 05:51 PM
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well i was going to give it a go tonight... alas clouds abound... maybe tomorrow or the day after?
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Old 24-04-2006, 09:21 AM
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clouds cleared and i got some shots off (10-12 shots). they are all the same size so would it be worth stcking them?
the seeing was pretty bad but i think i might have a couple of ok ones in there... Bec took over the computer last night so i didnt get to process them
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Old 24-04-2006, 12:32 PM
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definately, give it a go, any luck taking some video???
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Old 24-04-2006, 12:40 PM
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bugger! thought i'd forget something!

next time.
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Old 26-04-2006, 09:13 AM
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well processed...I dont know, the stackign didnt seem to help much but then the seeing was pretty crap
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Old 27-04-2006, 01:21 PM
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very cool jeanette! I like that strip you did!

have to try and get some more shots before monday...
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Old 28-04-2006, 12:44 PM
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got some shots lastnight... seeing was like 3/10 tho. visually thru my 7.5 i could make out the belts (as a shape) but zero detail in the blets.... snapped some shot anyhow. looks like i have been plagued with bad seeing for the entire comp
snapped a couple of jewel box shots too

have yet to process them.
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Old 29-04-2006, 08:00 AM
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consider yourself entered yagon, spot on with the conditions of entry.

"seeing" is a way to rate the twinkle formed by the atmosphere and heat shimmer from your mirror being warmer than the surrounding air.

"transparency" is a way to rate the clearness of the sky ie clouds and light pollution.

great link from this sight is http://www.iceinspace.com.au/index.p...63,196,0,0,1,0 and damian peach http://www.damianpeach.com/pickering.htm, by the way, this guy is the best amateur planetary phtographer, so spend some time looking at his stuff, it is amazing http://www.damianpeach.com/

well done, thanks for entering!
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Old 29-04-2006, 11:49 AM
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Impressive guys. With the equipment you are using who would have though you'd get the quality of image you are all getting.

Great idea for the Comp Dave.
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Old 29-04-2006, 12:14 PM
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Ving, the seeing has been woeful around our parts, so don't be discouraged.
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Old 30-04-2006, 10:42 AM
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tell me about it mike!
i'd give it another try tonight, but its cloudy so far
only one thing worse than bad seeing and that zero transparency
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Old 30-04-2006, 12:09 PM
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Chrissyo, have you thought about converting your Avies to individual bmps using Virtualdub and then either running them through through Registax as bmps or trying bird's ppmcentre then through Registax?

I don't know what is causing your ellipsoid shaped planet except for the movement of Jupiter across the field of view and Registax has to "chase" it. If you can work ppmcentre it will center each image first so that Registax is not chasing the image. Bird, DaveP or Mike might be able to give more info on how it works and how to process using it.
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Old 30-04-2006, 04:50 PM
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I have a new idea about what might be causing the skewed shots - the camera is on a bit of an angle when afocally held to the eyepiece by my bracket. I assume this contributes to it, as well as skews the colours? I was considering taking the tripod out last night to push the bracket up a little bit to see if it helped, but the jetstream stopped me going out.

As for vitrualdub/ppmcentre, seeing as tomorrow is a holiday, I might give them a try. I've never used virtualdub, but I've given ppmcentre a quick go. Tomorrow looks like a processing day =) (Plus, lets hope there are some gaps in the clouds later tonight before midnight to sneak in a quick last image or two )
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