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Old 11-01-2012, 03:32 PM
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Good flats....

Normalization of brightness levels between channels number one Paul...It's easier pulling down than what It is going back up.

RGB weights....If you know you'll be too strong in green why not allow for It in pre processing.

Evaluate where the problem is coming from....I often see the green cast after Ha boost because the red and the blue(If added to blue)levels increase and so you left with a strong green in the low to mid range...a color bias adjustment is needed.

Too much green? (Could be as easy as lowing saturation and brightness in green)or a slight curves adjustment in the green channel(slight means slight)...followed by a bias adjustment...did you leave enough room in the shadows?

After a balanced bias It's much easier to get a pleasing color balance(always leave your self enough room in the shadows)

Paul,always look back at your color filter wheel to see where your color is going and you'll get a much better idea of how to correct It,or at least a much more pleasing result.

Adjustment layers is a good way for non destructive edits while working through your image.

Paul,too much blue stops the yellows...to much green stops the reds.

Hope that helps.
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Old 11-01-2012, 09:58 PM
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Louie that all makes sense. I don't generally add Ha to either red or blue, but can see that would require a bias adjustment.

My flats are always pretty good, but every now and then I strike an object that proves harder than others. This might be such an object.

Thanks for the suggestions.
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Old 11-01-2012, 11:49 PM
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O.K. I'll be blunt: real stars don't have dark or coloured rings around them.

(O.K Eta carina has... sort of... a cloud )

I really like the dynamics of the way you've captured the nebula...but the stars just look weird to me.

Data looks great... just a little more needed in processing
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Old 12-01-2012, 08:32 AM
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A striking photo Paul...looks great.

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Old 12-01-2012, 10:01 AM
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Hi Paul, I like this image, you have brought out a lot of detail to look at thanks
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Old 12-01-2012, 12:25 PM
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.... I don't generally add Ha to either red or blue, ...
Not sure you'll do the Ha signal justice if you don't apportion some of the signal to the red channel at least. That would mean much of your Ha signal will appear grey if you use it as lum as the red filter signal alone has no hope of showing the Ha.

Don't get me wrong mate - the new version is quite striking!
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Old 12-01-2012, 04:23 PM
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O.K. I'll be blunt: real stars don't have dark or coloured rings around them.


Data looks great... just a little more needed in processing
Absolutely. I started from scratch last night but did not save the final image and just hibernated over night to discover that idiot windows has done a restart over night and now I am back to square one. Why does windows always try to over ride the parameters set for it? Only software I know of that needs constant updates. Windows team; if it aint broke dont fix it! Try that for an idea.

Marcus I tried adding to the blue and the red. Adding to the red was ok but adding to the blue resulted in strong violet at at modest levels of 20%. I was quite pleased with the image I got last night and as Peter pointed out it is good data.

So back to it. I'll report back in once I have the image sorted.

Thanks for the interest guys.
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Old 12-01-2012, 07:43 PM
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NGC2070 and LMC "SIDDED"

Ok reprocessed. Still some halos etc and dark rings (but I tried to rid the image of these), but I think this looks more natural now. Just to remind everyone I have attached a small image of the former image.

Click here for the new image.

Please feel free to tell me what you like about the new image or if you prefer the former image. Maybe there is something you like in one but something in the other image at the same time.
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Old 12-01-2012, 07:47 PM
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Well, I liked the original. Now your back to yawn usual. OK the latest is more "correct", but it's been done soo many times......
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Old 12-01-2012, 08:16 PM
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Paul,starting to look great(a much pleasing color)I still think the blue look too strong? at least go to Hue/Saturation and raise the lightness up 20% on the blue.

The shadows still look a touch clipped but the contrast is real nice....how are you feeling about It Paul?

I understand that we need to follow some basics,but at the same time we need to reflect our own self through our work or other wise we all end up clones....yes?
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Old 12-01-2012, 08:25 PM
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I understand that we need to follow some basics,but at the same time we need to reflect our own self through our work or other wise we all end up clones....yes?
Exactly
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Old 12-01-2012, 09:28 PM
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Well, I liked the original. Now your back to yawn usual. OK the latest is more "correct", but it's been done soo many times......
Hmmm, I will need to investigate your thinking more Fred. What was it you liked most out of the first image?

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Paul,starting to look great(a much pleasing color)I still think the blue look too strong? at least go to Hue/Saturation and raise the lightness up 20% on the blue.

The shadows still look a touch clipped but the contrast is real nice....how are you feeling about It Paul?

I understand that we need to follow some basics,but at the same time we need to reflect our own self through our work or other wise we all end up clones....yes?

I will give that a go Louie. I like this look, but was to achieve a more 3D look. Personally there was some aspects to the previous image that I really liked and of course there are things about this image that I also like. Funnily enough I had trouble with the Lagoon and the Cats paw. The blending I have found is a bit tricky in all cases. This current image has once again been instructive.
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Old 13-01-2012, 06:57 AM
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I preferred the original image I must say, though it's not there anymore so I can't say if it was clipped or had other issues as some have mentioned. I just know I loved the colours of that one.

BTW, in your post above, the image you link to is looking significantly different from the attached image, although I assume they are one and the same? The attachment looks much more blue, at least on my monitor.
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Old 13-01-2012, 09:40 AM
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Rolf, attached is the original image for your comparison.

I am still not satisfied with the image and might just get more data when the opportunity arises. I guess the colouring is a matter of taste really.
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Old 13-01-2012, 10:23 AM
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Yeah those colours are beautiful Paul, I like the kind of soft 'peach' look there. At least that's what it looks like on my monitor.
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Old 13-01-2012, 12:44 PM
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Muuuch better Paul! I nice rendition!

I could quibble ... but I won't because I'd say you're struggling primarily from a lack of data.

Agree with others also that you need to be unique in your efforts so your work is distinctively yours. But not at the expense of too much "reality".

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Old 14-01-2012, 12:37 AM
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Just catching up with all images. I like it a lot. Hard to get color right in this region and you have done a nice job.

Its a big field of view with that scope and camera combo. Is that native or are you using a FR ?
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Old 14-01-2012, 10:34 AM
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Thanks guys.

Marcus, agreed. I aim for my own distinctiveness whilst trying to stay within the "norm" More data would make for a better image.

Chris, the field of view is the result of a FR.

Rolf, yes some of those colours I like too. Perhaps once I get some more data I can find a happy medium of colours.
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Latest is much better than the first one I saw

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