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Old 20-05-2011, 11:54 AM
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Newtonian power! Love it!

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I guess i never found my 10" solid tube to be heavy nor cumbersome, I too lived about 10 min drive from Perth CBD I understand though that if you find it a wee bit to big then hey you find it to big.

I use my 10" all the time but mount it on the mount and attach so many cables and what not it isn't funny anybody who reads this and does dabble in astrophotography will understand what im talking about so my setup time is about a hour- hour and a half to start taking images! so 5 min setup for a dob is heaven! hehehe
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Old 21-05-2011, 07:48 PM
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Last off topic post - yeah right! I went to BTOW (seemingly Perth's only shop for telescopes) to have a look at the massive (for some) 10" GOTO Collapsible DOB. Not so bad methinks. Currently priced at $1299 but not available till July. Yes the 8" looks much more portable but I think the 10" is the go.

Good news is I remembered my brother had my grandads old binoculars (7 x 50 as it turns out) so I will take that path whilst I cool my heels a bit and look around.

Thanks again for all the replies - great forum!

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Old 21-05-2011, 08:18 PM
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I have just purchased my second 8" dob to replace one that fell into disrepair. I would vote for the dob, easy to use, relatively inexpensive and fun.

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Old 23-05-2011, 07:38 PM
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An 8" dob is a great great scope to get started. The possibilities are just awesome and it stays small enough to be portable. One can't really go wrong with such a dob, especially if on a budget. I however feel it is important to stress that aperture fever is easy to get, but when it comes down to it, a larger and more heavy scope requires more motivation to set up than a smaller one, especially if the smaller one can be stored assembled. It ultimately boils down to personal preferences however, but I'd say that a 8" is a safe way of getting started.
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Old 23-05-2011, 07:50 PM
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An 8" dob is a great great scope to get started. The possibilities are just awesome and it stays small enough to be portable. One can't really go wrong with such a dob, especially if on a budget. I however feel it is important to stress that aperture fever is easy to get, but when it comes down to it, a larger and more heavy scope requires more motivation to set up than a smaller one, especially if the smaller one can be stored assembled. It ultimately boils down to personal preferences however, but I'd say that a 8" is a safe way of getting started.
this is exactly why I'm getting my little megrez. I like my dob (aperture rules the roost), but sometimes I want something more convenient. having both means I have the luxury of choice.
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Old 23-05-2011, 09:47 PM
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this is exactly why I'm getting my little megrez. I like my dob (aperture rules the roost), but sometimes I want something more convenient. having both means I have the luxury of choice.
Hey Adam - If you don't mind how about a bit more info on the megrez. Maybe just a link to have a look at so us newbies can see what you mean.
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Old 23-05-2011, 10:20 PM
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no problem.

http://www.williamoptics.com/telesco...0_features.php

illustrates the product in question.

The following specifications are noted;

aperture; 90mm

focal ratio f/6.2

focal length; 558mm.

objective type; Doublet fl-53 Air Spaced Fully Multicoated; STM coated.

The above line for the un-initiated means it has 2 lenses bending the light down the tube (doublet).

fl-53 is basically a special type of optical glass, generally considered to be very high grade (when manufactured well).

'air spaced' means that there is a gap between the lenses.

Fully multicoated means that each surface of the lens is coated with a special anti-reflective coating to ensure the maximum amount of light possible makes it down the tube. STM i believe is marketing slang for the particular type of chemical coating used. Don't ask me what they actually use.

There are a couple of very similar (cosmetically) megrez for sale in the ISS classifieds;

http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/s...ad.php?t=75986

and

http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/s...ad.php?t=75477

I am going to mount it on this mount/tripod combo;

http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/a...se.php?a=91015

New, in the current model this scope goes for approximately $1200 (varies from dealer to dealer, but not by as much as you'd think). The mount retails for about $650 if you can find a dealer with one in stock, because apparently William optics doesn't make it anymore. (they can be had second hand though).



The point is; including various accessories (including quality eyepieces to cope with the short focal length, and a diagonal so I don't break my neck), this setup will cost me in excess of $2000. All for a scope with 90mm aperture, and a very basic (but very nice and smooth) mount.

in comparison, I know that a basic 8 inch dob (about 204mm) can be bought for $550. Or for $999 for an 8 inch dob with a full go-to mount.
At a quarter of the price, the dob will provide 5.1x more light gathering ability than my Megrez.
At half the price, it'll provide 5.1x more light gathering ability and a mount capable of doing the hard work of actually finding the objects for you.

this is why everybody tells you to go for the dob. And rightly so. You get a lot more light for your money.

So it would seem as if getting the Megrez is madness... BUT;

the megrez is significantly lighter and less bulky than the dob. Fully set up with mount and tripod, it should weigh approximately 12 to 13 kilos. This less less than the TUBE ALONE of my dob. This means setup is quick, and maneuvering it is easy, meaning you've got more time/energy to actually LOOK at things.

It is less susceptible to thermal issues (it cools down quicker than a big mirror)

It shouldn't need collimating (or at least, very very infrequently if it is designed properly), which is something you'll need to do as a newtonian owner as part of most viewing sessions (not a big deal with practice, but I'd rather not do it unless I have to).

As I said earlier; I'm trading light gathering power for convenience.

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Old 23-05-2011, 10:39 PM
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I thought Paul Keating said we now had a level playing field....
Good old Labour
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Old 23-05-2011, 10:49 PM
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I thought Paul Keating said we now had a level playing field....
Good old Labour
How do you know if a politician is lying?

His lips are moving.

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Old 23-05-2011, 11:08 PM
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OK that is one lovely looking thing! I totally understand the "best scope is the one you will use" statement and I recognise "aperture fever"! It's quite a tug of war! Thanks for that Adam.
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Old 23-05-2011, 11:13 PM
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OK that is one lovely looking thing! I totally understand the "best scope is the one you will use" statement and I recognise "aperture fever"! It's quite a tug of war! Thanks for that Adam.
yep. I fully expect to spend just as much time just admiring the thing from various angles on and off the mount as actually using it.

Unofficially, William Optics specially machine their scopes to be dew, and drool resistant.
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