You can keep your Cities! - Page 2

OneOfOne (Trevor) · #21 22-11-2007, 07:42 AM

I think one of the problems with society today, not just restricted to the young but they seem to be the biggest offenders, is a lack of respect for others. I guess that is why they are the "me" generation. They only seem to be concerned about the things that affect them today with no care about the future. They don't consider that anything they may do will have an impact on other people.

Fortunately, although I live just 10km or so out of Melbourne I am in a relatively "quiet" neighbourhood, with extremely good neighbours who generally know each other and respect them. The biggest distubance lately is probably a 21st a few months ago....we heard car doors slamming at 1am. I had to turn over and go to sleep again! Of course we have had break ins, property damage etc in the area but most nights you could walk around the street at midnight and probably get back home again....

I bet most of the trouble makers were males under the age of 25!

xelasnave · #22 22-11-2007, 07:44 AM

Booze and folk lacking the ability of self control can be a worry.
I had to laugh Ken at your recognition that once a long time ago you could well have been one of these folk. I recall doing similar with a pack myself so I guess its a human thing.
I now prefer the country life..rather the bush life...bush is a little further out than country... and rather enjoy the company of dogs than to most humans.
But the kids need the city to get their start and that worries me.... I wish I could save mine from it and I hope they will take advantage of the bush that I have secured for them in time.
The funny thing I find is you just dont need money once you have adapted and I think not calling at the pub for social contact is the reason... and you never get bored because there is so much to do just to survive out there...
It makes me realise how temporary material things are and unimportant really.
Dont get me wrong I like my toys but if they were not around would be well occupied with prospecting, fossil collecting, bird and other creature observation, painting, wood work.... well its a case of having too much to do really.

I like this place I now have in the city however..it is so quiet I cant see other houses unless I try... and the only folk I see around are the morning walkers... but its great to get a coffee and a meal at 3 a.m. if you dont feel like cooking.

I often wonder ...are things getting worse or am I just starting to notice the problems booze is having in our society but in truth I think booze has been a problem and maybe its only now I notice... to see a shopping center near a pub early morning with the vomit everywhere saddens me
so I dont go near those places... keep my our world tidy and clean by not bringing theirs into mine I guess.

For those who wonder how you can make a living in the bush there is always something... bookkeeping is a good one which is easy and enjoys a good demand... but my point is something turns up so do put it off ..living in the bush is so beneficial when compared to the rat race approach one falls into in a city.

alex

h0ughy (David) · #23 22-11-2007, 08:37 AM

not goood news Ken - so where were the local police with all of this happening?

Orion · #24 22-11-2007, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by h0ughy

not goood news Ken - so where were the local police with all of this happening?

That's exactly what I was going to say. Where were the coppers!

Campus Dweller · #25 22-11-2007, 08:54 AM

Obviously, there are too many people that haven't discovered Astronomy.

Wait! On second thought, Astronomy requires brains, patience and appreciation of the natural world. The over the top revellers described probably wouln't know what Astronomy is

Ric · #26 22-11-2007, 09:51 AM

I live rural but work in Canberra which is a 45 minute drive. At the end of the day it is so nice to escape into the country side and dark sky.

Canberra doesn't come close to the other cities but it's big enough for me.

Cheers

programmer · #27 22-11-2007, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Ric

I live rural but work in Canberra which is a 45 minute drive. At the end of the day it is so nice to escape into the country side and dark sky.

Canberra doesn't come close to the other cities but it's big enough for me.

Cheers

45 min rural? Few years back I was driving 1hr+ each way to work, and was still in suburbia!

Anyway, I'm with OneOfOne, live not far from Melbourne but quiet, no problems (actually I work in Bentleigh OneOfOne

). I never hooned or made problems when I was younger either, never been in a single fight, etc. So it's not growing up 'in the city' that does it to you, it's all up to the individual. Upbringing helps too

dugnsuz (Doug) · #28 22-11-2007, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Orion

That's exactly what I was going to say. Where were the coppers!

Manning the RBT's on the roads out of town I guess!
There's money to be made!!!!

ballaratdragons (Ken) · #29 22-11-2007, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by h0ughy

not goood news Ken - so where were the local police with all of this happening?

They turned up as we were leaving.
They must have had a busy afternoon/night coz the drunken race-goers where all over town.

And these weren't young people either!!! The yobbos in the restaurant were about 30-40 y.o., and the ones in the streetfight were about 40y.o.!!!!

All looked like officeworkers.

acropolite (Phil) · #30 22-11-2007, 12:32 PM

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It's not the city Ken, it's the booze etc which is the problem

Have to disagree. Unfortunately it's the morons who consume the booze that are the problem, some people should never touch alcohol.

h0ughy (David) · #31 22-11-2007, 12:38 PM

hey I work in an office

-oh point taken

Glenhuon (Bill) · #32 22-11-2007, 01:07 PM

I've just come back from my first visit to Sydney and the thread title pretty much covers my feelings on it and every other city i've been to. Noisy, dirty and smelly places. Enjoyed some parts of it, had afternoon tea with the governor (50th anniversary of the Muscular Dystrophy Society) and a good walk around the Powerhouse Museum & Paddys Markets. OK for a very short visit, but wouldn't live there for quids. Coota is big enough for me

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Bill

rogerg (Roger) · #33 22-11-2007, 01:18 PM

I wish I didn't live in suburbia. But work and all that. One day I'll hopefully be able to afford a second place, in the country.

I do worry though, if we all hate the city, so we all move to the country, how long before the country is too over populated to be pleasant? .. Have seen it happen in the popular country towns in WA over the last 10 years. Slowly spreading to others....

Need one of those mass extinction events to cull the population a little perhaps

Roger.

ballaratdragons (Ken) · #34 22-11-2007, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by rogerg

I wish I didn't live in suburbia. But work and all that. One day I'll hopefully be able to afford a second place, in the country.

I do worry though, if we all hate the city, so we all move to the country, how long before the country is too over populated to be pleasant? .. Have seen it happen in the popular country towns in WA over the last 10 years. Slowly spreading to others....

Need one of those mass extinction events to cull the population a little perhaps

Roger.

That concerns me too Roger. But many many people would never leave the cities or suburbs.

Even Ballarat is creeping out into the rural areas as is grows

bringing with it more streetlights!

But I think (hope) it will be another 20 years or more before it reaches out this far.

[1ponders] (Paul) · #35 22-11-2007, 01:42 PM

The population growth is pretty scary. I first started going to the Sunshine Coast North of Brisbane in about 1966 as a child on holidays, moved there permanently in 1974. I believe the population of the entire SC then (1974), from Caloundra to Gympie, was in the range of 25 to 30 thousand people. Now the population is topping out at around 300,000 people.

fringe_dweller · #36 22-11-2007, 02:09 PM

hehe Paul, i just, vaguely as i was a tacker, remember surfers paradise as a bunch of shacks from late sixties, special to me as i was conceived there apparently

yep roger the irony of people contributing to destroying the very reason they moved to where-ever, is not lost on me, the blockies/tree/sea changers tend take the best bits, especially those with views, and leave the ****ty bits, of which there is a lot of here, untouched - but hey thats progress?

ving (David) · #37 22-11-2007, 02:22 PM

Green acres is the place for me.
Farm livin' is the life for me.
Land spreadin' out so far and wide
Keep Manhattan, just give me that countryside.
wussy...

bird (Anthony Wesley) · #38 22-11-2007, 05:57 PM

Sorry to hear that Ken, it's a common disease these days, even once-upon-a-time sleepy canberra is getting full of idiots, one of the reasons Leisa & I moved out to the country (apart from the obvious other reason!).

cheers, Bird

KG8 · #39 23-11-2007, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ballaratdragons

there was a street brawl between about 30-40 Race-goers (blokes and sheilas) right outside Pizza Hut in the roundabout! Punches flying everywhere! They were fighting in the middle of the traffic with cars swerving to miss them

Sounds like the country folk can't handle their grog to me! I've never seen anything like that in Brisbane or any other capital.

ballaratdragons (Ken) · #40 23-11-2007, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by KG8

Sounds like the country folk can't handle their grog to me! I've never seen anything like that in Brisbane or any other capital.

I can almost garantee these were the racing crowd from Melbourne. 90% of the crowd at the Ballarat Cup comes up from Melbourne.
The whole Spring Carnival up here is mostly Melbournites