Lake Macquarie Council Installing 5609 LED Street Lights!

[dpastern (Dave Pastern)]

Originally Posted by glend

While I am angry about it, I am not about to get arrested for gunning public lighting, and it is a bad idea to encourage it imho. And it would be a real crusade to try and take out all 5,609 of them. They do have a plastic globe thing over them, from what I can see of the one close to my place.
I believe the vast majority of the dark fearing population would welcome ever more lighting flooding their yards and homes.

I disagree. Sometimes civil disobedience is the only way to handle things.

why should I respect a society that doesn't respect me?

[xelasnave]

Paint all the lights red...we could all see what we want to see...and red like is so cool and means you will age slower and be more attractive and sucessful...it must be true I read it on face book.

Alex

[glend (Glen)]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

Paint all the lights red...we could all see what we want to see...and red like is so cool and means you will age slower and be more attractive and sucessful...it must be true I read it on face book.

Alex

You crack me up Alex. Every street would become a red light district.

[doppler (Rick)]

You just need a few turtles to move into the area.


https://www.news-mail.com.au/news/dr...hting/2480075/


http://www.bundaberg.qld.gov.au/news...-power-survive

[xelasnave]

We just need some marketing to adjust the populace on their negative thoughts on red light.
Red light is good for you its the same colour as blood and blood gives life and if you that away the red blood we die so clearly red is a great colour...remember Santa ...you were only young and you just loved his red suit...red is good.
And if elected I promise to change all the street lights to red .....
I have been thinking of my idea and wonder if it would work...it must work they always work therefore there could be something in it...
Test one.
How to determine if one light can interfere with another..that must be on the net...
Should have one built by morning.
Alex

[RickS (Rick)]

Actually, I've seen science that suggests orange is better than red. But we're all agreed that bluish is terrible!

[xelasnave]

The current ligthing is responsible for all crime and most illnesses.
Blue is associated with royalty and oppression of the masses...we are not going to have blue lights..

Alex

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by RickS

Actually, I've seen science that suggests orange is better than red. But we're all agreed that bluish is terrible!

I have seen research saying pink was a good colour but I dont know really but maybe made folk happier
Maybe a very red sortta orange with a little pink...
The only hope is for my lightvinterference set up to work..croud funding☺
Its clear but I drove down yesterday and had a big day and I have to lug it all up the stairs and set up...
Alex

[RickS (Rick)]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

I have seen research saying pink was a good colour but I dont know really but maybe made folk happier

Orange is apparently better than red in terms of maintaining dark adaption. Not sure what that means in terms of happiness for non-astronomers and not sure if I care

[xelasnave]

Orange it is then☺
Alex

[glend (Glen)]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

Orange it is then☺
Alex

Perhaps you should suggest it to the Orange City Council, what a branding opportunity.

[silv (Annette)]

@skysurfer

"Here in many places in the EU, most newer LED installations contain fully shielded luminaries and 3000K (instead of the more skyglow generating bluer 4000-5000K)"

Wishful thinking, disregarding psychology involved. When city council projects began to look at LED, let's just say, in 2013-ish, they decided on type x of test lights and stuck with that type ever since.

Indeed, it is park lights being installed here, too. For aesthetic reasons. It even says so in the city council meeting protocol from 2013. Because they match the previous models but come with LEDs. No shielding, just a huge bulb with a funny tiny hat like a cartoon character.
Why do the politicians stick with type x? Because. It's easier. Lazyness is a form of efficiency.

I'm beginning to think the impulse has to come from the manufacturer, not the city politicians/clerks. If the trusted manufacturer starts a product line that fulfils proven requirements and simply tells politicians "This is it. You won't get your cartoon character bulbs anymore. Period." then psychological knowledge predicts humans would just go with it. Bc people are lazy. In the case of my city here, there'd be no one objecting. Nor looking for a different supplier - for yet another psychological reason: the manufacturer they chose in 2013 is an East German one - and people over here in this eastern part of the country are 25% reactionary disciples of "Germany First!" and "Germany for the Germans!"
*grumblegrumblegrumble*

[skysurfer]

Originally Posted by glend

Actually, if it came to a nuclear war, the first thing to get taken out would be the GPS satellites. The US can certainly degrade precision of the GPS system at any time, and sharpen it up to zero offset within minutes for its own purposes. Hunter killer satellites would just sweep along the GPS belt. But this is a digestion.

As to modern Euro LEDs, looking at the light pollution map of Europe, i doubt any choice of street lighting is going to help make the skys anywhere near as dark as Australia. I suspect my Council will buy the cheapest nastiest ones available, the last thing they seem to care about is investing in the best, this is about saving money.

But there is more than GPS. There is Galileo (EU), Glonass (Russia) which cannot be controlled by the US.
And Europe is indeed far more light polluted than Australia: 500 million vs only 40 million people, on the same surface (and living standard) makes a lot of difference.
And, indeed many councils don't care about energy consumption because electricity st still ridiculously cheap.

[glend (Glen)]

Originally Posted by skysurfer

And, indeed many councils don't care about energy consumption because electricity st still ridiculously cheap.

I don't know where you live but that is not the case in Australia.

And folks can we move off the nuclear war/GPS rants and get back on topic or I will ask for this thread to be closed. As it stands it has ptobably served its purpose anyway, as a few respondents that live in adjacent council areas are now aware.

[RB (Andrew)]

Originally Posted by glend

And folks can we move off the nuclear war/GPS rants and get back on topic or I will ask for this thread to be closed.
As it stands it has ptobably served its purpose anyway, as a few respondents that live in adjacent council areas are now aware.

Exactly Glen.

RB

[dpastern (Dave Pastern)]

Deleted.
TOS violation.
Profanity filter bypass.

[dpastern (Dave Pastern)]

Deleted.
TOS violations.
Including Profanity filter bypass.

[N1 (Mirko)]

European skies have rock steady seeing, galaxies galore, and aurorae anyone in the S hemisphere can only dream of, unless they go to Antarctica.

Meanwhile, Dunedin appears to be listening to concerns re LED lighting, at least to some degree.

[dpastern (Dave Pastern)]

Deleted, TOS violations.

Permanent Ban.

RB

[AndyG (Andy)]

Originally Posted by N1

European skies have rock steady seeing, galaxies galore, and aurorae anyone in the S hemisphere can only dream of, unless they go to Antarctica.

Excellent I'm off to Japan for 1 month next week. We're bringing the 102 Mak and mount in the luggage. I've never seen the Northern Hemisphere sky through any kind of optic. I'm sure Sky Safari will offer some teasers as to what to find.

Need to escape possibly the worst LP on Earth however... let's see how it goes.