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Old 30-12-2016, 09:40 PM
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Consumer Laws and fit for purpose oh come on..... and the proof is your honour... If they are willing to part with their money sell them anything in the store. A 12 inch Meade LX200 $10,000 would be ideal or perhaps a 14inch, and if you get bored looking for LGM you can also use it for some fun astro. The site below gives a good indication of what is "recommended".

http://www.ufostop.com/

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Old 30-12-2016, 09:45 PM
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I would also get an infrared camera in case UFOs use cloaking devices...
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Old 30-12-2016, 09:56 PM
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Old 30-12-2016, 10:08 PM
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A tinfoil hat.
They don't sound like crackpots
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Old 30-12-2016, 10:13 PM
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2X 150 mm plasma cannons on a rotating hub , works a treat .

Then a big fat sign .
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Old 30-12-2016, 10:15 PM
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Equipment ?

A computer and a copy of Chariots of the Gods in one hand, and ia lunatic imagination a-la Eric von Daniken that regularly leaps to the wildest conclusion then spend hundreds or thousands of hours faking the "evidence" to justify the conclusions.

What you don't need is a good camera or Astro equipment. A $10 junk camera from an op shop wil suffice, preferably with a rather grubby lens.
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Old 31-12-2016, 04:40 AM
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Old 31-12-2016, 09:31 AM
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I find it somewhat surprising that so many people are so sceptical here. True, whilst the chances of an alien race visiting us may be remote, it's not impossible. We have been a technological civilisation for only a few generations and before people like Newton came along, we knew surprisingly little about how things work in space. Since then, our understanding has grown considerably but we are basically babies at this stuff. Heck, I may live long enough to see an image of another stellar disk.... My kids will probably see the planets around some stars... if we can avoid wiping ourselves out..

Who knows what another 1000 years, let alone millions of years, of development may bring. Based on the little I know, the planetary catalogue Kepler has popped in the think bag, and what we know about the resilience of life here, it seems to me that there are possibly millions of "advanced" civilisations in our galaxy alone. I can't even imagine what some of them may have achieved. Indeed, a trip across thousands of light years may be no big deal to "them". Of course, our understanding of science sets limits like the speed of light but there have been so many limits broken in the past that I see no reason why "trans-warp drives" don't exist somewhere. Perhaps there is a branch of Science yet to be discovered that allows such things. Its happened before, (Think, radio, infra-red, X-Ray and now Gravitational wave astronomy). What, I wonder, will quantum computing enable us to achieve?

The question I have often thought about is, "So why haven't they contacted us? Well, a couple of possibilities include:

1/ "They" have a principle like the "prime directive". Logical, considering the history of more advanced human societies contact with other groups. (ie) the Spanish in South America. Undoubtedly, "they" would have learned the hard way as well.
2/ "They" may be using transport and communication methods so different from ours that its akin to us trying to understand machine code using a charcoal stick and clay tablet. They may be screaming at us, "Are you deaf?", in a wavelength we haven't even tried yet...
3/ "We are being studied like the "proverbial microbes in a drop of water"

The history of Science is resplendent with examples of people who have been scoffed at and ridiculed for ideas that have subsequently become mainstream, (Darwin, for example). That's a lesson we should always put front and centre when confronted with "fringe" ideas!

This bloke may indeed be pissing his money away, (he wouldn't be the first ), but I've decided to take the "Never say never" stance and I'd advise the bloke according to what I previously said, based on how these things may move, and what kind of data I'd want to collect to record and support my observations.

He may achieve nothing more than a catalogue of observations that can be used to "eliminate" further misleading "sightings" (useful), or discover something like "sprites" which have a history worth reading about... OR he may get a "WOW" moment that rattles the planet.
The key here is to apply critical scientific analysis to any claims of success rather than blanket cynicism.

Tolerance is a virtue and may save some of us having to wipe egg off our faces in the future

I'd add one more word for those about to scoff. SETI!

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Old 31-12-2016, 09:44 AM
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A pair of out of focus spectacles. That way, every flying object you look at will be unidentified to you.
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Old 31-12-2016, 11:00 AM
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Since the most common UFO sightings are in fact venus, aircraft, or baloons mixed in with a healthy amount of ignorance, I would suggest two eyes are all it takes to hunt for UFO's
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Old 31-12-2016, 12:22 PM
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I'm a UFO researcher to an extent. After this thing flew over my house and got picked up radar I started looking more and more into it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/commen...t_an_hour_ago/

I started digging around and saw A few weeks ago this happened in the UK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGmxM2cw5FQ

A few others like this .. but evidently they can be seen on Radar , and though thermal cameras... so to answer your question a thermal camera appears to do it.
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Old 31-12-2016, 01:23 PM
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Well thought out. Maybe.

Asking for a customer is not as obvious a cover as asking for a friend. Hmm, Cheryl-Ann?
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Old 31-12-2016, 02:59 PM
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A UFO experience is a lot like a fatal car accident, Until it happens to you nobody wants to accept it could happen to them.
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Old 31-12-2016, 03:20 PM
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I guess there's two kinds of UFO researchers; those looking to *identify those flying objects (whatever the explanation) and those looking for evidence of aliens. They are two wholly different paradigms with two very different accepted truths as starting points.

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Old 31-12-2016, 03:38 PM
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Just over a week ago I returned from my trip to Houston which included several meetings with interesting people who work or used to work for NASA, such as dr Heather Paul, dr David C.Hilmers, dr Leroy Chiao just to name a few. When prompted, they openly admitted that they are convinced that our Universe is teeming with life and happily elaborated on these matters. While Universe teeming with life doesn't necessarily mean UFOs visiting our blue rock, I thought I will mention this nonetheless

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Old 31-12-2016, 03:53 PM
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That's a point, Suavi.

We listen to people with background and consider what they say.

Other people are just considered crackpots.
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Old 31-12-2016, 04:17 PM
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In all seriousness, if there is ethical money to be made from this, perhaps the answer is develop a kit to eliminate false positives. The main false positive is Venus (that bright light that was travelling parallel to the car), the Moon when it has a thin crescent, aircraft, hot air balloons etc.

It would probably be doing us all a favour if an 'annual kit' was developed for UFO researchers showing when Venus can be low and mistaken for a UFO, same with thin Moons etc and giving locations of flight paths or planes or Hot Air Balloons at night. In the same vain, where the ISS will be visible and explaining tumbling satellites etc.

Other items that could be explained is how bright stars like Sirius can flash many colours when low. Seriously, 25 years ago, I had to ring to the local radio station after Arcturus was claimed to be a UFO by a number of callers.

As said, something to eliminate False Positives may be doing us all a favour.
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Old 31-12-2016, 08:21 PM
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Suave makes a good point, there are a fair number of space scientists that do believe that there is other life out there; I'm not one of them by the way but Hawking is! Now we wouldn't call him a crackpot.

As Bob suggests, having a handbook or a kit purely for taking out false positives is a good idea BUT the vast majority of people that are likely to go looking for UFO's don't know the first thing about astronomy. You could give them a star chart but it isn't going to help them.

I work with someone who believes in a lot of the conspiracy theories, UFO sightings and the like, all of his information comes from YouTube. He wants to go UFO hunting. One of my friends asked if he could borrow my 10 LX200 (before I sold it) as he wanted to go UFO hunting as he believes he's seen them on a number of offasions in the last decade. I explained the futility of high magnification viewing by hand on a moving object and suggested binoculars instead.

I have met a fair number of people at public outreach nights asking about UFOs and aliens, they've come along wanting to learn more about astronomy as a future aid to their UFOing (I verbed it!).

There are several kids of alien believers out there. There are the conspiracy theorists (UFO crackpots) that would require a military grade instrument and a team of scientists to have a chance of getting through although at that point it is still just a conspiracy and government coverup!
Then there are the casual UFOers, those that believe they've seen something and would like something to confirm or deny any future sightings. For these, a kit could be useful but would have to be very basic and they're worthwhile having a pair of 8x42 binoculars on hand as it's the only useful "telescope" to them.
Then there are the alien (intelligent or single celled) believers that are of no harm to modern day society
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Old 31-12-2016, 09:12 PM
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Life out there? I'd say almost certainly. Intelligent life? Maybe.

Check out the Fermi Paradox. Here's a good book on it: http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1..._Is_Everybody_
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Old 31-12-2016, 09:17 PM
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On the Feemi Paradox... another interesting read if I say so myself
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