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28-08-2015, 06:29 PM
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Take note.
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Finally, we will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to: 1.comply with applicable law or respond to valid legal process, including from law enforcement or other government agencies; 2.protect our customers, for example to prevent spam or attempts to defraud users of the services, or to help prevent the loss of life or serious injury of anyone; 3.operate and maintain the security of our services, including to prevent or stop an attack on our computer systems or networks; or 4.protect the rights or property of Microsoft, including enforcing the terms governing the use of the services – however, if we receive information indicating that someone is using our services to traffic in stolen intellectual or physical property of Microsoft, we will not inspect a customer’s private content ourselves, but we may refer the matter to law enforcement.
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Signing the EULA means you have agreed to above. So no need for a warrant to you any more.
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29-08-2015, 10:10 AM
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I think Microsoft have lost the concept of an operating system which is what W10 is supposed to be. The operating system should be an efficient and easy to manage launch platform and file management system, not a glitzy marketing vehicle.
From my experience Microsoft have simply put "lipstick on a pig", there's not much difference between W8.x and 10, just as there really wasn't that much difference between Vista in it's final form and W7.
My own install of W10 was tolerable. After update on a new cloned HDD, the first use a couple of days later resulted in extremely slow startup, lockups, flaky performance and non responsive programs, my guess is because of background update stuff happening, with Lenovo's absence of an HDD led it was impossible to even guess what was happening.
After about half an hour everything settled down and performance was as expected.
One can't help but question the uncontrolled and continuous uodate strategy.
The new start menu is IMO crap, so I opted for the excellent open source Classic Shell start menu.
I may try a clean install, really nothing to lose, as I have my original W8 install safely tucked away on the original hard drive.
I guess in the final analysis they force our hand, future hardware and driver releases will mean that we have to adopt whatever flavour of operating system they serve up, try buying PC hardware that will run on XP.
Last edited by acropolite; 29-08-2015 at 10:23 AM.
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29-08-2015, 12:45 PM
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Of course you could always keep Win 7/8 and dress it up like Windows 10 :-)
http://www.thememypc.com/category/packs/
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30-08-2015, 12:23 PM
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I've been running Windows 10 on my Dell laptop for a few weeks with no issues. I've been running Gemini Telescope ASCOM for my Titan, Maxim DL, Focus Max and PHD2. I had to reload a Loderstar driver and that was about it.
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31-08-2015, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by acropolite
there's not much difference between W8.x and 10
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I respectfully have to disagree. While the overall interface changes can be seen as cosmetic an incredible amount of things have changed under the hood in various versions of Windows to the point where we're no longer in a process of buying new computers to run new windows, but rather upgrading windows so that existing computers are faster and more efficient.
And some of the cosmetic features like the intelligent window snap have been a real productivity boost too.
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31-08-2015, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Garbz
I respectfully have to disagree. While the overall interface changes can be seen as cosmetic an incredible amount of things have changed under the hood in various versions of Windows to the point where we're no longer in a process of buying new computers to run new windows, but rather upgrading windows so that existing computers are faster and more efficient.
And some of the cosmetic features like the intelligent window snap have been a real productivity boost too.
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Would that be lighter to run than Win7 on similar HW?
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31-08-2015, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by multiweb
Would that be lighter to run than Win7 on similar HW?
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Much lighter.
10 runs lighter than 8.1 and I always found 8.1 ran much more efficiently than 7.
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31-08-2015, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by multiweb
Would that be lighter to run than Win7 on similar HW?
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My own experience in upgrading two Dell Windows 7 notebooks (one is about 5 years old, the other is about 3 1/2 years old) to Windows 10 is that they both boot noticeably faster, and run at least as quickly as before.
I didn't do any special "optimising" before the upgrade (apart from a data back-up, "just in case"), just applied it using all default settings. All data and applications were retained, and all hardware and software is working fine - no incompatibilities or instabilities to report.
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31-08-2015, 04:06 PM
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Cool - I might ghost my HD on my notebook and give it a try. It's a HP Pavillion running Win7.
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03-09-2015, 10:17 AM
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I updated my new laptop to Windows 10. So far it seems great. I did not like the interface of Wins 8.1. You really had to use a mouse with Win 8.1 because if you used the pad every time you went near the edge of the window all these annoying menu choices would appear. Also the close the window button was hidden to make it look cleaner so unneeded further complications. It seemed like it took 2 or 3 more clicks than before for the same tasks.
It took me about 5 weeks to find where my programs were now and how to access them - pathetic perhaps but factual!
Wins 10 is more streamlined and cleaner and more like an update to Wins 7.
The new browser seems better than Internet Explorer.
Cleaner, faster.
I haven't run any astro stuff with Wins 10 yet though.
Greg.
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04-09-2015, 05:57 AM
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Beginning to go off Win10, it's too intrusive and automated. BING is a waste of time, finds nothing and it won't let me uninstall it, integrated into EDGE,
the new 'explorer'.
I set up Google as the preferred search engine but Edge still uses BING. Control Panel is buried away and it seems to think that everything is on the net instead of local. I can manage it on the media PC but I'm glad I haven't upgraded the real PC. It won't do as it is told. Adds nothing to the user experience.
I'm just worried now that some of the 800+ users I manage at work will upgrade their work PC's and come to me with all the problems and issues.
Pretty, .... pretty but useless.
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04-09-2015, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeroID
I'm just worried now that some of the 800+ users I manage at work will upgrade their work PC's and come to me with all the problems and issues.
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Seriously?!
You have 800+ work computers, and the end-users are allowed to self-manage, including upgrading the OS?!
Wow!
Just wow!
I imagine some of your support issues must be a LOT more work than "Have you tried turning it off and on again?"
At my work, our computers are so tightly locked down that we can't run any unapproved .com or .exe file, can't install any unapproved software, and application and system updates are only rolled out after the IT department has sat on them for a while (even Microsoft's "critical" patches). Even our web browsers (IE 8 and Chrome) are locked down to approved "stable" releases. We're running Windows 7 Enterprise SP1, and there's no chance we'll see Windows 8 or Windows 10 for the foreseeable future.
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04-09-2015, 02:05 PM
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I've seen a few people on various forums on the net complain about the Control Panel being difficult to navigate to, so I just thought I'd mention if you hit the 'Windows key' + 'X' you get a handy little menu pop up that contains a shortcut to the Control Panel and other various useful things.
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04-09-2015, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by multiweb
Would that be lighter to run than Win7 on similar HW?
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Yes considerably. Actual calculations may not appear much faster, but better memory management will make a loaded machine much more snappy.
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Originally Posted by ZeroID
I set up Google as the preferred search engine but Edge still uses BING.
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Settings > Settings > View Advanced Settings > Search the address bar with: and change that to Google, you may need to add it first. If you must use Edge, they've provided that feature for you. They had to due to the anti-trust case of yesteryear and the process to change the setting in Edge was easier than the one to change it in IE8 or IE9 (never used 10+)
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Originally Posted by britgc
I've seen a few people on various forums on the net complain about the Control Panel being difficult to navigate to, so I just thought I'd mention if you hit the 'Windows key' + 'X' you get a handy little menu pop up that contains a shortcut to the Control Panel and other various useful things.
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Hey great hint. Thanks
You also get the same menu by right clicking the start bar. Also if I hit the windows key and type "Con" then Control Panel is the first result.
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06-09-2015, 10:21 PM
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I have over 11GB of new files in new directories under the C:/ drive!
Downloaded Win 10 to a USB stick for later instal (32 and 64) and windows just left it's junk on the drive in 9 new directories. It isn't even installed on this machine.
That's just very bad coding, and total arrogance.
Trev
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07-09-2015, 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by britgc
I've seen a few people on various forums on the net complain about the Control Panel being difficult to navigate to, so I just thought I'd mention if you hit the 'Windows key' + 'X' you get a handy little menu pop up that contains a shortcut to the Control Panel and other various useful things.
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Right Clicking on the Windows Start button also opens this menu to get quick access to lots of system settings including the Control Panel.
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07-09-2015, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by julianh72
Seriously?!
You have 800+ work computers, and the end-users are allowed to self-manage, including upgrading the OS?!
Wow!
Just wow!
I imagine some of your support issues must be a LOT more work than "Have you tried turning it off and on again?"
At my work, our computers are so tightly locked down that we can't run any unapproved .com or .exe file, can't install any unapproved software, and application and system updates are only rolled out after the IT department has sat on them for a while (even Microsoft's "critical" patches). Even our web browsers (IE 8 and Chrome) are locked down to approved "stable" releases. We're running Windows 7 Enterprise SP1, and there's no chance we'll see Windows 8 or Windows 10 for the foreseeable future.
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Unfortunately yes. Many of our users are engineers in the field which means they have to have local admin access and the way many of our apps are designed means even office users need quite in depth control of systems. We've been this way for years so we are sort of used to it and we manage most stuff via GPO policies through the network but there is always the few. And engineers are the worst of course, must have latest...... oh dear .... BRENT !! ?? Help !!
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09-09-2015, 01:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Regulus
I have over 11GB of new files in new directories under the C:/ drive!
Downloaded Win 10 to a USB stick for later instal (32 and 64) and windows just left it's junk on the drive in 9 new directories. It isn't even installed on this machine.
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The download should only have happened if you ticked yes to reserving your free copy of the upgrade. If you don't reserve it doesn't pre-download. This is no different than any other windows update that pre-downloads, and then post saves the uninstall information and keeps it for 30 days after an update is applied. It's not arrogant, you asked Microsoft to do this.
If you want your free space back either:
1. (The one you don't want): Upgrade to Windows 10, and after 30 days the uninstall information should remove and your drive should magically have more space on it.
2. (If you don't want to install Windows 10): Go to Control Panels > Programs > Programs and Features > Installed Updates, and then uninstall KB3035583. Then reboot and run the Disk Cleanup Utility on drive C. Be sure to click the button that says "Cleanup System Files" which also removes pending updates, and update uninstall information and will give you your 11GB back.
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09-09-2015, 06:00 PM
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Chris, I did in fact reserve it when it became available. I opted in the download for the USB/DVD download rather than direct download and install. That's why I am surprised that after it downloaded and wrote the USB thumb drive I still have 11GB of data on odd named directories.
I have renamed the directories and rebooted to see if my current Win7 installation would register a complaint if they were removed. It hasn't, so I will delete them now.
Cheers - Trev
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11-09-2015, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Regulus
I opted in the download for the USB/DVD download rather than direct download and install.
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Apologies. I noted this morning in the tech news that apparently Microsoft is just downloading it regardless of user preferences. You were most definitely right to complain about it.
People are livid. Apparently it's also downloading on computers where update KB3035583 has been uninstalled. So far no concrete clue as to which update caused the download or how to potentially prevent it from re-downloading.
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