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Old 03-02-2013, 09:39 AM
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Fascinating assessment:

1) "Mill is essentially correct" - Naturally I assume this comment is based on having received both version of events before rendering this adjudication

2) "and as such, is not maligning anyone" - The validity of this statement is dependent on the validity of point 1

3) "The item was offered for sale..........the price was subsequently reduced (considerably)..........someone said they'd take it and as was evident in now deleted posts, the offer to buy was accepted...........that offer was later rejected and seller's posts were edited and (at the seller's request) other posts were deleted. Is it a "wise" way to "do -

Yep - this certainly sounds like only one side of the story.

As I highlighted in my previous posts:

1) There is always two sides to every story

2) Two wrongs don't make a right

3) It appears folks are quick to draw conclusions and perhaps disparage even though they apparently don't have both sides of the story (for whatever reason)

4) Reneg deals do occur on IIS - I had one disappointing experience over an EP however I didn't vent my spleen over it. Renegged deals probably occur more often than we care to admit going by the euphemistic relisting of items put 'back-up' for sale by sellers where a "buyer had to pull out of deal for genuine reason".

5) Finally, my new comment - I wasn't aware there is some law or rule that members are obligated to respond to every received message.

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Old 03-02-2013, 03:24 PM
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This is getting silly but if that's the way you want to play, then so be it

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Fascinating assessment:
Fascinating? I'll leave that alone

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1) "Mill is essentially correct" - Naturally I assume this comment is based on having received both version of events before rendering this adjudication
I said "essentially" NOT definitively or absolutely.

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2) "and as such, is not maligning anyone" - The validity of this statement is dependent on the validity of point 1
Pray tell, EXACTLY how (in your not so humble opinion) was anyone really maligned. There was no name calling or abuse, just a relatively factual statement based on what was evident at the time.

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3) "The item was offered for sale..........the price was subsequently reduced (considerably)..........someone said they'd take it and as was evident in now deleted posts, the offer to buy was accepted...........that offer was later rejected and seller's posts were edited and (at the seller's request) other posts were deleted. Is it a "wise" way to "do - business".........probably not, but that is up to the individual seller.

Yep - this certainly sounds like one side of the story.
Two things..........1) I've added back in (in italics) what you chose to edit out. 2) It's not "one side of the story", it's the way the thread progressed prior to deletions and edits............if the reasons for deletions and edits are not made known/visible to people following the thread, then it's only to be expected that further comments are going to be based solely on what "knowledge" is available.

I hadn't bothered to mention it before as it is kind of irrelavent, but I had been watching the thread closely from it's inception with the view to purchasing the 'scope for my son, to the point that I had arranged for a mate in Sydney to pick it up should I have bought it......this was before either Niko said he'd buy it or the seller (subsequenly) altered his conditions of sale. My hesitations were based on me prioritising my astro needs, the reality being that I should continue setting up and learning to use my own rig before bringing another 'scope into the house. When it appeared obvious that Niko and the seller had an agreement, it sealed my decision not to buy the 'scope no matter how good a deal it may have been.

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As I highlighted in my previous posts:

1) There is always two sides to every story
I thought I'd already agreed with you on that point.

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2) Two wrongs don't make a right
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3) It appears folks are quick to draw conclusions and perhaps disparage even though they apparently don't have both sides of the story (for whatever reason)
As a generalisation this is probably true but to be fair, we should not apply it "blanket like" in every situation.

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4) Reneg deals do occur on IIS - I had one disappointing experience over an EP however I didn't vent my spleen over it. Renegged deals probably occur more often than we care to admit going by the euphemistic relisting of items put 'back-up' for sale by sellers where a "buyer had to pull out of deal for genuine reason".
I get your point. Some time ago I purchased an item here from someone who appeared to be an "ideal" IIS member. Due to lousy weather it was some weeks before I got the chance to use it and when I did, I found it was missing "crucial" components that have made the item almost unusable. When "challenged" about the issue the reply was "well, that's how I purchased it". Was he right in not mentioning it in his FS thread? Was I right in not "venting my spleen" about it?.............who knows? What I do believe is that there is, regardless of any forum rules, etc., an ethical and wise way to do business and one essential key to this is good, open and honest communications from start to finish from all concerned, regardless of the circumstances. If this philosophy had been followed in this specific instance I doubt we'd be having this discussion now . Also, this probably addresses your last "quote"

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5) Finally, my new comment - I wasn't aware there is some law or rule that members are obligated to respond to every received message.
I have no real problem with someone changing their mind, but damn, it can save a lot of ensuing "chatter" and misunderstanding if they're totally "up front" and communicative about about their decision rather than hiding behind editing and deletions. Anyways, I'm out of it from now on.

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Old 03-02-2013, 09:13 PM
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Once again an absolutely fascinating assessment of the issues.

Unfortunately, you don't actually answer the most important and pivotal issue - did you obtain both sides of the story before rendering your analysis and posting your sagacious comments?

The answer is either - Yes or No.

We already know the answer to this question because you needed to criticise the seller for committing that most heinous and unforgivable crime - not responding to your PM.

The only "misunderstandings", "hiding" and "not upfront" "chatter" comes from "silly" ill-informed individuals who are quick to pronounce judgement of others and need to make comments upon them without knowing both sides of the story.

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Old 04-02-2013, 09:17 AM
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Don't you have something better to do than carry on like this?

Goodbye!
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Old 04-02-2013, 10:49 AM
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Amazing - you previously stated "I'm out of it from now on."

Why not instead just answer the previous simple question - Your answer can only either be: Yes or NO


Acknowledgement of error is the true sign of humility - not indignation.

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Old 04-02-2013, 01:56 PM
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Does this still apply?
IceTrade Etiquette:

Your item should be sold on a first-in-first-served basis. That can include first to reply or first PM with stated intention to buy.
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Old 04-02-2013, 03:15 PM
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Apparently me stating:

"I'll take it"

wasn't a clear enough intention to buy

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Old 04-02-2013, 04:22 PM
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Thank you for pointing out this issue as I seem to recall that Niko was the third potential buyer to contact me.
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Old 04-02-2013, 04:56 PM
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Boy ....this one got out of hand ..!!
Stay out of it Flash ...there's too many of them ..!!

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Old 04-02-2013, 07:48 PM
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Brian ,,,,, you too .
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Boy ....this one got out of hand ..!!
Stay out of it Flash ...there's too many of them ..!!

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