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Old 10-01-2013, 09:12 AM
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36-50mm eyepiece recommendations for fast Newt

Hi all, looking for a wide field 36mm-50mm wide field (68-82) eyepiece for my f/4.9 12" Dob. Also, I'm on a post-Christmas budget so not looking at going over $200.

Can anyone give me any recommendations for an EP that would be suitable? I realise it's not going to be a world beater but I'm looking for the best fit for my f/4.9.

I am happy to look out for 2nd hand items via classifieds. Many thanks, John.
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Old 10-01-2013, 09:54 AM
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Hi John,

A couple of things before I suggest an EP or two.

* First is the size of the exit pupil of this range of EP focal length will exceed 7mm. This will mean that not all the light coming out from the field lens will enter through your fully dilated pupil. If you're ok with this, then no problem. I don't mind myself & regularly employ large exit pupils as I still enjoy the view. Heck, I even use a 65mm EP in my f/4.5 17.5" dob!

* the other is the abberations that become visible in this fast scope/long EP combination. Astigmatism being the worst offender. It shows as a seagull effect coming off the stars along the FOV. The worst offending EPs have this start further in closer to the centre. Other EPs show very, very little, which is excellent, others show none.

Coma is a function of a fast Newtonian, and it can be corrected for by using a coma corrector between the EP & focuser. Some folks swear by them, I rather not use one as I don't see the nett gain being worth the loss of light from using one. Coma is also a very soft & relatively minor phenomenon/abberation really. Astigmatism is much worse. BUT, the wider the AFOV an EP has, the more significant coma becomes. Eg, two EPs, same focal length, one 68*, the other 82*, the former will show less coma at the edge than the latter.

Now, EPs. This has been my mission in this hobby to find the real gems that don't cost the Earth. Just note that the following recommendations are for ~68* AFOV EPs, & noted cheapest to most expensive.

- GSO Superviews, 42mm & 50mm, are excellent for bugger all price. BUT, the are astigmatic in fast Newts, but less so than other more expensive EPs. Great first 2" EPs, & excellent for using at star parties as you won't mind them getting cruddy & cleaning them regularly.

- Meade Series 5000 SWA, 34mm & 40mm. Though now discontinued so only 2nd hand, are exquisite in fast Newts. Note, these are HUGE eyepieces, the 34mm is 785g (I've got one), & the 40mm is over 1kg.

- Explore Scientific 68's, 34mm & 40mm. These are the exact same EPs as the above Meades.

- Baader Hyperion Aspheric 36mm. Shows a bees willy more astigmatism than the above 34mm Meade, but still a great performer in my f/4 dob. In your f/5 you may even see none. Not a heavy EP either (got one too).

- TV Panoptics. I'm only going by Reviews I've read on these, but by all accounts excellent EPs. $$$ though, even second hand.

There are others that other people may like to mention.

Take your pick

Mental

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Old 10-01-2013, 10:27 AM
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John , have you seen the 55mm TV plossel in the classifieds? its now only $180 , great eyepiece for your dob .
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Old 10-01-2013, 10:47 AM
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I have one alreday Brian and may sell it. As Alex said I have a bit of an issue with the rather large exit pupil and am looking for an alternative. I should have stated somewhere between 36-42mm would be more preferred. Thanks for the tip though Brian, much appreciated.
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Old 10-01-2013, 04:38 PM
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I'd like to make a minor correction to the above: the new Argon-purged ES 68D range is no longer identical to the discontinued Meade 5000 SWAs. I expect it's an evolved design rather than totally new, but they're not exactly the same anymore.

I have the ES 68D 40mm. It weighs in at about 950g but the view is worth it. There is a little astigmatism (that manifests as softness of the image) in the outer 15% or so, but at that F/L it'd be hard to find an eyepiece free of aberration. In all other respects the view is very good (IMHO, of course).

I also have the GSO SV 42mm. While a step up from the standard plossl, there is no comparison with the ES 68D 40mm. Based on my observations in an SCT, the ES 68D 40mm is superior in all respects except weight.

I read every review/test/comparo I could find on eyepieces in the 35-45mm range and chose the ES 68D 40mm as best for my purposes and a step up from the GSO SV 42mm. I have not been disappointed.

The ES 68D 40mm is not the easiest eyepiece to look through - the eye relief, while very good, is longer than the rubber eyecup (which is a shame becuase it's a quite comfortable eyecup) so it will take some practice getting your eye in the best position, i.e to avoid kidney beaning. However, I found the GSO SV 42mm no easier to look through and other long F/L eyepieces I've used have been much the same.

Based on those same reviews et al, the only eyepiece that (IMHO) might be appreciably superior to the ES 68D 40mm is the TV Panoptic 41mm, though I have yet to view through one. If I ever get tired of the (completely acceptable, IMHO) outer astigmatism in my ES 40mm, the only replacement I'd seriously consider would be the Panoptic 41mm.
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Old 10-01-2013, 11:48 PM
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Cool, great to know that ES is being more innovative, rather than just copying.
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Old 10-01-2013, 11:54 PM
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A 1kg eyepiece is hilarious..!
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Old 15-01-2013, 02:46 PM
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Thanks for the support. I purchased the Explore Scientific 68 @ 40mm and used it for the first time at home in light polluted skies with my DGM Neb Filter. Orion looked, wow!

Cheers.
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Old 15-01-2013, 02:56 PM
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How cool! Just wait til you get it under a dark sky,

Mate, how much does it weigh? Gotta be a big one...
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Old 15-01-2013, 03:02 PM
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HAHAHA

I just got this thread. When I first saw John's original post I thought he was chasing a 36-50 ZOOM EP for under $200. I've been lurking ever since to find out what secret I'd missed.

Now it all makes much more sense.

I should get out more!!!

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Old 15-01-2013, 09:59 PM
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How cool! Just wait til you get it under a dark sky,

Mate, how much does it weigh? Gotta be a big one...
972 grams and it cost me $79 more than I wanted to pay ($279.00)

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Old 16-01-2013, 12:19 AM
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972 grams
Sounds like your kitchen scales are a tad more accurate than my decrepit old thing. Might be time I replaced it (the scales that is, not the eyepiece).

Glad you like the ES 40mm. I think the extra $79 is worth it.
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