Cost of Electricity

[PeterM]

Peter (exfso) you did get your point across, some are just blinded by their lights.
And we don't even have a carbon tax added in .....yet.
Now that will really test many as more will be forced to candle lit nights cooking over a wood burning stove, exagerration? it's already happening.
Mike you are correct today we do live in a truely priveleged country, problem is just about everyone else in the world wants some of it. So maybe tomorrow we will become part of the lowest common denominator through our desire to help others? Being so goody goody what do we do - slowly and surely we send our wealth, inventions and manufacturing overseas or give it away and then find another way to tax ourselves for the privelege, other countries must think we are nuts!
What kind of Australia will my grandaughter and her children have in 20 years is cause for my concern today.
We are being taxed to blazes through mostly useless self interested government hell bent on winning the next election, telling us that privatisation of essentials like electricity etc will save us $, a complete croc, my electricity cost has increased significantly 'cause some government twits can talk the talk and justify it.
1.3 billion without power in the world is just side stepping this threads title and I believe intent, the cost of electricity is starting to hurt. While the massive rise in the cost of electricity may not be a concern to some with a gazillion cables hanging off a dozen scopes, to many out there it is hurting terribly on top of other rising costs.
Wake up Australia we are being taken for a ride and paying the price for public wastage on a grand scale.
PeterM.

[TrevorW]

Hi Jen

I don't know if you read their flyer the price list might explain why no one is producing SP's yet using this technology, the dye costs appear quite high and you'd wonder how much would be needed to coat a surface of sufficient size etc

Prices as quoted don't usually eventuate unless the product is mass produced and the demand is high

Cheers

PS: Lets all be friendly now, Mike and Doug, hug and make up big boys.

[CDKPhil]

Just had a look at my bill I am in Queanbeyan NSW, My Provider is Country Energy.
$761.78

1996 kWh @ 26.228 $525.51
controlled Load 1095 kWh @ 9.264 $101.44

Service Availability 95 days $67.58 ????

And GST $69.25

Rather expensive.
Mind you it used to be over the 1K mark but I am filling in the pool. Not running the pool has saved heaps. Waste of time having a pool down this way.

I looked at the bill for the same time last year and I only paid 22c per kWh peak
and 7.8c off peak.

Cheers
Phil

[jenchris (Jennifer)]

Trevor W
That company is not the one that I was talking about, it was not photosynthetic - it was another process altogether - the one that was on the new inventors was taken over by the Victorian Government and shelved. They promised it would be produced on the market by last year - fat chance if someone wanted to make a profit with old fashioned technology - you have to shelve the new stuff until later.

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

Originally Posted by TrevorW

PS: Lets all be friendly now, Mike and Doug, hug and make up big boys.

I have tried

Mike

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

Mike you are correct today we do live in a truely priveleged country,

That's all I am trying to say

1.3 billion without power in the world is just side stepping this threads title and I believe intent, the cost of electricity is starting to hurt.

This is where I disagree. Hurt? Compared to much of the rest of humanity we have plenty of room to soak that up, billons of other humans just don't - it's that simple that's all I am trying to say

While the massive rise in the cost of electricity may not be a concern to some with a gazillion cables hanging off a dozen scopes

Well that describes most on here

To many out there it is hurting terribly on top of other rising costs.

By "Out there" I assume you mean Australia?..Yes I totally get that and I don't disagree and we can always look to improve but seriously, there are many, many people far worse off around the World through no fault of their own.

Wake up Australia we are being taken for a ride and paying the price for public wastage on a grand scale.

Well in a sense I agree with you, we are slowly being convinced we have serious problems...when compared to the rest of the world.. we frankly just don't

Anyway, I do agree that electricity is getting more expensive and I frown at my electricity bills like everyone else, they suck.

MIke

[Barrykgerdes]

Originally Posted by TrevorW

Hi Jen

PS: Lets all be friendly now, Mike and Doug, hug and make up big boys.

What ever you do don't let Mike give you a hug. That would make things worse!

I never cross Mike these days its too dangerous

Barry

[kinetic (Steve)]

Originally Posted by PCH

Dan,

on a lighter note - you're not helping the cause at all here matey. You just need to sit down quietly with your wife and watch 'Dances With Wolves' together. At the time when Kev C is trudging through the forest with the Indians, point out how the pregnant Indian lady just gives birth there and then on the march. She stops for a minute or two, does the honours, picks up the bub and continues the march to the next camp. Today's women need to have the old ways pointed out to them, don't you think. It gives them more character.

And also, - what's this you say? YOU wash the clothes in cold water ! Oh dear oh dear, whatever happened to washing the clothes being women's work mate.

So there's a couple of things you could be pointing out to the missus. I'd say you probably have to pick your moment. But I think you'll be pleasantly surprised to see her reaction when you mention these things. Probably thank you for it actually. Possibly with a great big frying pan though, so be prepared to move quickly if necessary.

Oh ****, I just heard the wife's car pull up in the driveway, and I haven't got the tea on yet. Gotta go !

That is so goddamn funny Paul.
I love your work...those that know me know I have a theory about blokes
called Paul...and you just confirmed it.
great injection of humour..I think we all need it lately.

Steve

[supernova1965 (Warren)]

I don't understand $700 dollar bills our quarterly bill is under $200 we have a large screen TV HD Set top box with recording so it is on all the time Wii game DVD player 3 computers . And a projector that we bring out for State of origin and other big events. Hot water system 4 Aircon's that admittingly we only use it on the hottest days of summer but we use them if we need too. Fridge , Electric , stove , microwave , Washing machine Dryer which gets a workout in the wet season. Admitedly we are only two but as our electricity provider say's we use 33% less electricity than anyone else in our area

[Octane (Humayun)]

Faulty wiring to the meter?

H

[Solitarian]

Lucky country for sure
This will be something we may proudly boast about, http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/s...-1226305741810

[PCH (Paul)]

@Steve Kinetic - thanks very much for that kind remark. I've finally found someone with the same warped sense of humour as me. I only hope Dan thinks so as well - lol. (Sometimes you can't be too sure that someone will take it in the spirit it's meant). But as you noticed, this thread did need lightening up a bit, and Dan defo needed telling too - lol. You'll never be allowed into your local "Mens Shed" if tell them that sort of stuff Dan

Anyway, wtf is this thing about blokes called Paul. It had better be good, there's a lot of us. My namesake is also the Chief Minister of the NT - not that that means much, but it's as close to fame as I'm likely to come. I wonder if he's a demi-God too lol. And, does it include that other famous PH - Paul(ine Hanson? Do tell.

Cheers,

[TrevorW]

Actually we can make a difference, a lot of what happens relates to the Govt we elect our power to make change resides in how we elect that Govt, that is why it's called a democracy.

Furthermore we can remove that Govt if we need too any time we want by people power.

Unfortunately we seem to have elected in the last few years a bunch of incompetent back stabbing liars who seem only interested in power mongering and feathering their own nests while the majority of us generally whinge but do little to change the status quo.

Most of us could all end up living like this joining that 1.3 billion while the remainder live in sheer luxury, in the meantime our struggle to survive in a country stripped of it's natural resources devoid of technological development while our taxes are wasted in Govt follies.

So next year make a change I know I will be.

[brian nordstrom (As avatar)]

Yea Phil , as was done to New Zealanders about 20 years ago as a trial , and it worked , now Australia has gone the same route ,, Profits before People !!! . Mongrels have us by the short and curlies , thats why I spend as much time out under the stars as I can , not watching the TV , or what not ...
Brian.

Originally Posted by CDKPhil

You only need to blame our state Governments for privatising the power companies.
The less power that is used the more expensive the power will become.

We are all told you need to reduce your carbon footprint, put in energy saver globes, turn off the lights, wash in cold water ect. Most people are doing this and the power companies don't like it.
Yes it is great that we are using less power and cutting back carbon emissions, but we will pay higher and higher prices because of privatisation. If the utilities were run by Government as they once were, they only need to make enough money to cover costs, research and development and infrastructure. They do not need to pay greedy share holders dividends or make record profits every year.

Speaking of greedy share holders might be worth buying shares in a candle manufacturing company.

Cheers
Phil

[traveller (Bo)]

Yep, most pollies nowadays are just puppets to vested interests. Long gone are the days of people with vision and integrity who stood by what they believed in and said what they meant and meant what they said.
Now that I got it out of my system, I will go back to fiddling with my mount.
Bo

[Nico13 (Ken)]

Well just had the PV solar panels fitted today. A 2kW system, not a big system but not a small one, not the cheapest but not the dearest.
Average yearly usage about 24 kWh a day, single income and bills around the $500+ range but the last one almost $600, usage was up a bit though. Wifey is at home all day though.

All the usual electrical bits and pieces, wireless this and that and the associated battery chargers but gas cooking and instant gas boosted solar HW using tanks to reduce water consumption.
Biggest killers are fridge, freezer and by far the reverse cyc AC for heating / cooling as we are on bottled gas, way too exy for heating.
Wood heating on those very cold winter nights but at $130 a ton for wood not cheep by any stretch of the imagination.
All energy efficient lighting and lights off where not needed, cloths dryer rarely used but do use the dishwasher on a regular basis.

So will be interesting to see if my investment was worth it as I also believe that we will be paying more for less in the future as the more of us able to fit solar panels will only reduce the power sold overall so the unfortunate ones without solar will wind up paying more to make up the short fall to keep those profit margins up. I believe I'll be on the 33c feed in tariff, I hope that hasn't changed in the last month or so since ordering this stuff but I also believe that I will also be paying a higher usage rate as well as it jumps to a higher rate for those with solar.

Who knows what's right but I do agree with a lot of the comments re the shift to private supply and feel we are just overloading a system with overheads and hangers on to provide a so called competitive market place, I think not.

We shall see I guess.

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

Originally Posted by Solitarian

Lucky country for sure
This will be something we may proudly boast about, http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/s...-1226305741810

Lucky..?? In all the fundamentals - absolutely!

1) Life expectancy (just scroll down and soak those ghastly figures in, just for a moment)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ife_expectancy

2) Hunger...?...heck we don't even make it on the list:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GH...verity_Map.jpg

3) Level of Democracy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:De...Index_2010.png

4) Economic Freedom:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:20...ic_Freedom.PNG

5) Level of Education:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_Index

etc etc etc

In the end regardless of electricity prices it is this final measure that sets the overall scene guys - yes we are the Lucky country now just believe it!

Overall World Ranking for everything important

That will do

[AndrewJ]

Gday Mike

Whilst i agree we are still better off than most,
many in this country are now going backwards relative to CPI
and a few are screaming ahead and dont care.
It cant last.
When an average person earning $20-30 per hr before tax has to go to a dentist or lawyer etc who charges $400 per hr, something is wrong.
Life in any society is based on a feeding pyramid,
and if the people at the bottom go under, the pyramid collapses.
I dont care what happens in other countries, if we dont end up
with an "equitable" system here, it will end in tears,
and we appear to be heading there fast.
The current privatise and be damned appears to be
a short term money money grab by govts ( of all persuations )
and we will all end up paying for it,
with a big chunk of the money going OS.
And as an astro example, look at all the people who
squeal like stuck pigs about the cost of gear in Oz.
They want "their" salary to be a first world one relative to the
costs in Oz, but reject paying prices that allow Oz vendors
to also live in the same "relative" conditions.
Bernoulli had it right with his theory on "regression to the mean",
ie we're heading for the poo but just cant smell it yet.

Andrew

[AdrianF (Adrian)]

Our bill was $780 and both my wife are out all day so no one home to use power. All appliances are turned off when we go out and at night minimal lighting is used.

Adrian

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

Originally Posted by AndrewJ

Gday Mike

Whilst i agree we are still better off than most,
many in this country are now going backwards relative to CPI
and a few are screaming ahead and dont care.
It cant last.
When an average person earning $20-30 per hr before tax has to go to a dentist or lawyer etc who charges $400 per hr, something is wrong.
Life in any society is based on a feeding pyramid,
and if the people at the bottom go under, the pyramid collapses.
I dont care what happens in other countries, if we dont end up
with an "equitable" system here, it will end in tears,
and we appear to be heading there fast.
The current privatise and be damned appears to be
a short term money money grab by govts ( of all persuations )
and we will all end up paying for it,
with a big chunk of the money going OS.
And as an astro example, look at all the people who
squeal like stuck pigs about the cost of gear in Oz.
They want "their" salary to be a first world one relative to the
costs in Oz, but reject paying prices that allow Oz vendors
to also live in the same "relative" conditions.
Bernoulli had it right with his theory on "regression to the mean",
ie we're heading for the poo but just cant smell it yet.

Andrew

Hi Andrew, all maybe true but in the scheme of things it is just pessimistic cheery picking to me (no offence intended), in comparison to the rest of the world we are still the best...I mean did you have a good look at No1 in my post above.?? - fairdinkum, it can't be too bad here because we just won't die!

Mike