BackyardEOS ~ A new software for Canon DSLR - Page 2

guyroch · #21 19-10-2010, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Bassnut

I must say, that looks very interesting. A simple user interface with the features you need. The live view focus looks comprehensive, the 1st DSLR app ive seen with proper live FWHM focus feedback, and lends itself to perhaps an autofocus interface in the future, which would be a killer in itself.

That is a very strong statement and I thank you for it. Would you be okay if I quoted you on it.

Thanks

Bassnut (Fred) · #22 19-10-2010, 08:16 AM

Well, I mostly use a CCD for imaging, only occassionally a DSLR, so I wouldnt really be a candidate for custom software design, but if you found a market for it generally to make the effort worth it, I would be interested purchasing it.

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Originally Posted by guyroch

That is a very strong statement and I thank you for it. Would you be okay if I quoted you on it.

Thanks

Octane (Humayun) · #23 19-10-2010, 01:12 PM

Fred,

He meant, quote, as in quote the text you wrote in praise of the software.

; )

H

guyroch · #24 19-10-2010, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Octane

Fred,

He meant, quote, as in quote the text you wrote in praise of the software.

; )

H

Yes, this is what I meant to say

I would love to use the statement below.

Quote from Bassnut (IceInSpace)
"I must say, that looks very interesting. A simple user interface with the features you need. The live view focus looks comprehensive, the 1st DSLR app I've seen with proper live FWHM focus feedback."

Thanks

Bassnut (Fred) · #25 19-10-2010, 04:27 PM

Oh, sorry

. Yes off course !, good luck with it

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Quote:

Originally Posted by guyroch

Yes, this is what I meant to say

I would love to use the statement below.

Quote from Bassnut (IceInSpace)
"I must say, that looks very interesting. A simple user interface with the features you need. The live view focus looks comprehensive, the 1st DSLR app I've seen with proper live FWHM focus feedback."

Thanks

guyroch · #26 19-10-2010, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bassnut

Oh, sorry

. Yes off course !, good luck with it

.

No worries, thanks mate!

guyroch · #27 27-11-2010, 12:08 AM

Just a heads-up mates... I'm planning to launch Monday November 29th. Thanks for you support and interest.

Guylain

h0ughy (David) · #28 27-11-2010, 09:25 AM

so how much?

guyroch · #29 28-11-2010, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by h0ughy

so how much?

Introductory price is set at $24 usd

Read my introductory post here:
http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/s...ad.php?t=68773

Thank you so much for your interest!

Guylain

h0ughy (David) · #30 28-11-2010, 05:28 PM

so let me get this straight - the 24 dollars pays for only 12 months worth of use of the software - then we have to fork out more money to keep the licence going?

Omaroo (Chris Malikoff) · #31 28-11-2010, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by h0ughy

so let me get this straight - the 24 dollars pays for only 12 months worth of use of the software - then we have to fork out more money to keep the licence going?

I read it that support is given for a year David, including any updates written during that period. I don't think he means that the license is only valid for a year:

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For this low price you will get one single user license for BackyardEOS, one year support, and one year free software upgrades with bug fixes and new features as they become available.

I'm going with a trial first, which is unusual for me, but I'd like to see if it works as advertised. I'm sure it will - I'm looking forward to firing it up with the 5D Mark II.

koputai (Jason) · #32 28-11-2010, 07:06 PM

Damn, I wish it worked with the 350D......

Good luck with it.

Cheers,
Jason.

hotspur (Chris) · #33 28-11-2010, 08:17 PM

This certainly looks interesting,I want to do a fair amount of wide field astro-photography with my Canon 10-22 mm lens. (if this cloud ever clears over S.E QLD).So could be very useful.

Where do we buy this program?

Cheers Chris

Omaroo (Chris Malikoff) · #34 28-11-2010, 08:26 PM

The address is disclosed in Guylain's signature Chris.

guyroch · #35 29-11-2010, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by h0ughy

so let me get this straight - the 24 dollars pays for only 12 months worth of use of the software - then we have to fork out more money to keep the licence going?

David,

In an attempt to not mislead anyone I’ll explain where I’m coming from and how I got to this pricing formula.

So here it is, right out of the gate:

There is no right or wrong answers here; I had to come with what I though was a fair price for a fair product.

1. The initial purchase price it set at $24. This entitle you to one single user license for BackyardEOS, one year support, and one year free software upgrades with bug fixes and new features as they become available.

2. You need to renew your license every 12 months for $8 annually if your whish to continue using BackyardEOS. The application will not run past the expiration date.

What does this means for you?

Well, if you buy BackyardEOS for $24 and then use it for 10 years you would end up paying $24 + $72 (9 years x $8) = $96. I don’t think $96 over 10 years is a whole lot of money considering we are spending literally thousands of dollars on OTAs, mount, cameras, etc…

I have poured my heart and soul into this project. For 10 months now I have spend on average 40+ hours a week on creating BackyardEOS and 60+ hours a week since September. This is in addition to my demanding day job. My wife and kids barely remember who I am. I’m only individual behind this project; developing, supporting, documenting, etc…

I would like to think that my time is worth roughly $100 over 10 years to buyers; you will receive complete support of a product in which you’ll get countless hours of good imaging. I don’t believe I’m asking too much considering the level of dedication it takes on my end to create and release such a nice and particle little piece of software.

Did I consider other pricing formula?

You bet I did! Feel free to read this post on my Yahoo support group. (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/B...OS/message/145).

The other formula I was contemplating was to sell the application for $49 with free support (minor releases and bug fixes only). Major releases (one roughly every 1 to 2 years) with new functionality would have been made available to existing license holders for a nominal fee.

The advantage with this formula is that I can release major new functionality any time without having to bundle it into a major release and wait until there is sufficient new stuff to launch. With this formula I can release them as soon as they become available and as a license holder you get to enjoy new functionally right then and now.

In the end though, the out-of-pocket expense would be roughly the same over 10 years. Again, there is no right or wrong answers here; I simply had to come with what I though was a fair price for a fair product.

I hope no one gets hooked up on the $8 annual fee, and I certainly do not mean any disrespect if your do; it’s your money. But the product is worth it in my humble opinion and so is my time and dedication.

Much appreciated,

Guylain

guyroch · #36 29-11-2010, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Omaroo

The address is disclosed in Guylain's signature Chris.

Thanks

Omaroo (Chris Malikoff) · #37 29-11-2010, 06:46 AM

I note that you've now reworded your purchase conditions Guylain. Reading it through prior to that there was no indication of an annual renewal.

I have no issue with yearly licensing fees other than it's just another silly thing to have to remember to do. Personally I'd rather pay for it in one go.

I hope that the application will issue a weeks warning when the time comes, or total automation is in place.

If you could now develop an iPad version... Hmmm

guyroch · #38 29-11-2010, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Omaroo

I note that you've now reworded your purchase conditions Guylain. Reading it through prior to that there was no indication of an annual renewal.

I have no issue with yearly licensing fees other than it's just another silly thing to have to remember to do. Personally I'd rather pay for it in one go.

I hope that the application will issue a weeks warning when the time comes, or total automation is in place.

If you could now develop an iPad version... Hmmm

I will be adding a 30 day warning for sure, and possibly even a 30 day grace period. The last thing I want is for someone to find out their license has expired out in the field in a remote location ~ that would not be fun at all, even for me.

Thanks for your support.

Guylain

iceman (Mike) · #39 29-11-2010, 07:15 AM

Personally, I don't think that's the best business model.

A couple of scenarios spring to mind:

1. A person changes their email address, doesn't notify you, and doesn't receive notices or alerts about license renewal

2. A person doesn't use the software for months, tries to use it when she needs it out in the field, finds it has expired

3. You as the software developer decide to move house, move country, change jobs and are no longer available to support the product.

The user, who has paid for the software, can now no longer use it because she can't renew the license.

I agree with Chris - I think most people would prefer to pay for it upfront and have no ongoing license fees.

Omaroo (Chris Malikoff) · #40 29-11-2010, 08:00 AM

I totally forgot that a typical netbook display is 1024x600, meaning that I generally can't see the important buttons at the bottom of the screen - i.e. "Snap Image". I've gone into the advanced tab in monitor settings and I have temporarily set it to 1024 x 768 with scrolling. Annoying to say the least, but usable for a photographic session.

This might be a reasonable blocker for you Guylain, as there are many, many people who use cheap netbooks in the field rather than a laptop. Damn.