ITN: Unusual Pulsar Discovered

[Jarvamundo (Alex)]

Gday Craig
Seems a similar event. Electrical stress, explosion, settling into a binary pair.
http://www.electric-cosmos.org/hrdiagr.htm

--"see GRB"

[bojan]

Originally Posted by Jarvamundo

Novae is a result of a star under immense electrical stress... it is an exploding double layer.



So so far off the page...

Best,
Alex

And this is even farther out, I am afraid
BTW, how do you explain the decay curve of a nova?

Originally Posted by Jarvamundo

Bite all you want, they are not my models, they are model developed from professional scientists and engineers, which yes are different to gravity dominated cosmology. I totally aknowledge it may cause some with particular 'schooling' some discomfort.

Alex, those may not be "your" models - in terms you didn't originally propose them.
But, you are advocating them and you are doing this very enthusiastically.. So you have to accept certain level of responsibility, together with bites.

[CraigS]

Originally Posted by Jarvamundo

Gday Craig
Seems a similar event. Electrical stress, explosion, settling into a binary pair.
http://www.electric-cosmos.org/hrdiagr.htm

--"see GRB"

Ok. (I hate looking at EC pages … its really hard on the eyes) ..

Getting back to the 'electrical stress' leading to the explosion bit .. what about Fusion/Nucleosynthesis etc leading to carbon and iron ? EU/PC doesn't accept this part of the mainstream theory ?
If not what's the analogous explanation ?

Cheers

[CraigS]

Originally Posted by bojan

Alex, those may not be "your" models - in terms you didn't originally propose them.
But, you are advocating them and you are doing this very enthusiastically.. So you have to accept certain level of responsibility, together with bites.

I agree with Bojan.

Let's get clear about what we're talking about when we use the term 'your models'.

We haven't seen any PC, (or EU), layed out, documented theories explaining the relaxation oscillator. Until I see this, this theory is all Alex's.

Cheers

[Jarvamundo (Alex)]

Originally Posted by CraigS

Do you think lab verification of double layer plasma relaxation oscillators is possible ?
What would be the test conditions of these ?

(Not having a go at you here .. I just can't understand how this model can exist in EU/PC, given the magnitudes of field strengths required for it all. Ie: as per my previous comments re: unfeasibility of plasma experiment scaling).

Cheers

Plasma scaling is empirically verified. I do not share the same concerns of infeasibility concerns as the dipole morphology of observations can only be explained by electromagnetism (since gravity and neutral gas doesn't behave this way)... plasma is nature's conductor. Saying that, i'm totally happy to explore your concerns, can only be beneficial to me.

The solar relaxation oscillator circuit experiment.... well the physical processes surely are lab verifiable, and the science is engineering science. It sure would be a great experiment to achieve, i'm not sure we would end up with a blinking terella, since it would more be a transient lightning machine. Relaxation oscillators are very easy to make, but i'm really interested to get more information on detailed Bojan's frequency concerns, i will explore as time permits and i come across literature.

Regarding Scaling... This why i follow Lerner's work, not from the energy production angle (which granted is exciting), rather his experiments are showing identical emission characteristics to solar flares.
http://focusfusion.org/index.php/sit...y_pmts_reveal/

Yet more 'scaling' verification.

I also suspect that you are expecting to 'observe' field strengths that we may not be able to physically measure. That is, without doinking a probe into it. This applies especially for electric fields. An example of this might be, we did not empirically verify (observe) the giant birkeland currents flowing between Saturn & moons, until we flew a prob through them.

[CraigS]

You know, I reckon you should write a paper on how the RElaxation Oscillator comes toegther to do what you say it does, Alex.

Many times I've had ideas and its not until you actually write a paper that you start to realise the holes in it all. Its actually good practice. It helps to get it off the ground. Much more efficient than this process.

Cheers

[Jarvamundo (Alex)]

Originally Posted by CraigS

I agree with Bojan.

Let's get clear about what we're talking about when we use the term 'your models'.

We haven't seen any PC, (or EU), layed out, documented theories explaining the relaxation oscillator. Until I see this, this theory is all Alex's.

Cheers

I wish they were mine.

[sjastro]

Originally Posted by Jarvamundo

yet another perfect example of gross misconceptions.

"Novae are relaxation oscillators (according to EU proponents) "

Again where do you get this? How is this sentence remotely logical? sources?

Novae is a result of a star under immense electrical stress... it is an exploding double layer.

How could this possibly be in a resonant electrical state? (relaxation oscillator). It's nothing like one?

So so far off the page...

Best,
Alex

"When I was researching topics for this article, Wal Thornhill said to me,

"Have a look at variable stars, particularly bursters, where I think you will find the brightness curve is like that of lightning with a sudden rise time and exponential decay. Some stars are regular and others irregular. The irregular ones seem to average the power over the bursts. When they are more frequent, the energy is less per burst. If there is a long latency, the next burst is more powerful. It's the kind of thing you would expect from an electrical circuit when the trigger level is variable and the power input constant.
I think many variable stars are actually binaries with some kind of electrical interaction. Long period Miras (A type of variable star) may actually have an object orbiting within the shell of a red giant (as I have proposed for the proto-Saturnian system)"

Following Wal's suggestion, I looked at the recent Hubble image of Mira itself, the flagship star of that class of variable stars. Mira's image reveals a huge plasma emission on one side of the star. The official explanation includes the words, " Mira A is a red giant star undergoing dramatic pulsations, causing it to become more than 100 times brighter over the course of a year. …. Mira can extend to over 700 times the size of our Sun, and is only 400 light-years away. The …. photograph taken by the Hubble Space Telescope shows the true face of Mira. But what are we seeing? The unusual extended feature off the lower left of the star remains somewhat mysterious. Possible explanations include gravitational perturbation and/or heating from Mira's white dwarf star companion." [Italics added.]


Mira has a white dwarf companion, just as Wal suggested was likely. So, a much better possible explanation of its pulsating output is that an electrical discharge is taking place between Mira and its companion, much like a relaxation oscillator. It's not really "mysterious" at all. There are many examples of unequally sized, closely spaced, binary pairs that are variable and emit frequent nova-like explosions. The list includes:

• • SS Cygni - A yellow dwarf and a hot blue-white dwarf. Orbital period 6.5 hours! Separation distance 100.000 miles or less. Burnham asks, "Is SS Cygni ..... dying out after having been [a full scale nova] in the past?"
  • U Geminorum - A B-type blue dwarf and a G-type dwarf. Orbital period 4.5 hours! Separation distance a few hundred thousand miles. In this case Burnham states, "Spectroscopic studies reveal the existence of a "rotating ring of gas" (plasma) around the blue star, and it appears that the explosive increase of light is due not only to the brightening of the star, but to a large increase of radiation from the cloud."
  • Z Andromedae and R Aquarii - Both of these consist of a hot blue dwarf mated to a red giant.
  • T Coronae and RS Ophiuchi - Both have recurrent nova-like eruptions and are close binary systems"

Source http://www.electric-cosmos.org/hrdiagr.htm

[Jarvamundo (Alex)]

Originally Posted by bojan

And this is even farther out, I am afraid
BTW, how do you explain the decay curve of a nova?

You mean the rapid rise and exponential decay? like a lightning flash yeah?

C.Bruce
Successful Predictions of the Electrical Discharge Theory of Cosmic Atmospheric Phenomena and Universal Evolution
http://www.catastrophism.com/texts/bruce/era.htm

see 3.9 Novae

Alex, those may not be "your" models - in terms you didn't originally propose them.
But, you are advocating them and you are doing this very enthusiastically.. So you have to accept certain level of responsibility, together with bites.

It is completely unfair for me to accept any responsibility or credit for these theories or works. Far greater men are responsible.

However if you see some point in.. or harbor a desire to bite 'a messenger' per'se, go for it, whatever works for you.

[bojan]

Rapid rise and slower decay yes.. but not as during lightening.
What I meant, the decay time VERY closely corresponds to half-life time of certain radioactive elements and isotopes (found in spectra of novae btw).
This (creation of those elements and isotopes) can't be explained by any electrical activity - there is not enough energy levels involved.

As for "responsibility", let me rephrase: If you are advocating certain ideas, people expect you to understand in depth what you are talking about, and they are asking you questions.. and if you can't give them satisfactory answers.. you tell me what could be the logical conclusion from this.
So here you go..

[Jarvamundo (Alex)]

"This (creation of those elements and isotopes) can't be explained by any electrical activity - there is not enough energy levels involved."

So gravitationally compressed gas is enough? please.

http://focusfusion.org/

You do realize that all fusion experiments on this planet are using magnetically confined plasma to produce fusion.

They are ALL electrically driven experiments.

[CraigS]

Man, all that's been said here, (in Steven's post), in a very anecdotal way is that these systems exhibit "nova-like eruptions" and "I think many variable stars are actually binaries with some kind of electrical interaction".

The first statement is just an analogy and the second statement is just a thought.

I'm still looking for a proper, formal description of the mechanisms behind this thing.

Sorry Alex … I'm frustrated with the lack of proper backing behind this Relaxation Oscillator pub-conversation.

Cheers

[Jarvamundo (Alex)]

Re SJ: Thanks, yes i see nova-like... Yes they are relaxation emissions.

My confusion was that the pulsar is obviously a highly resonant system, these nova-like emissions do not seem to be in as resonant state, and would be a different physical phenomena. This does not discount that both are electrically driven.

Quite correct, these nova-like explosions are yes 'relaxing' emissions. A CME could be a relaxing emission and we could include others, Auroral outbursts could be, lightning is, etc all which are not or as resonantly dominated.

I still do not see a connection between pulsars and any claimed spherical emissions? Only a connection that an electrical relaxation process may be involved their power.

[CraigS]

Originally Posted by Jarvamundo

"This (creation of those elements and isotopes) can't be explained by any electrical activity - there is not enough energy levels involved."

So gravitationally compressed gas is enough? please.

Huh ?? Are we that far out of synch ??? Goodness, me !!

http://focusfusion.org/

You do realize that all fusion experiments on this planet are using magnetically confined plasma to produce fusion.

They are ALL electrically driven experiments.

Do these experiments produce new elements ??

C'mon Alex you can do better than this !!

Cheers

[Jarvamundo (Alex)]

Seems we are Craig. EU does not exclude fusion occuring.

Where is Bojan seeing differences in nova between the models?