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Old 12-10-2009, 10:51 AM
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Should NASA have bombed moon??

Alot of people i have have spoke to are very disgusted that Nasa bombarded the moon, now i know it wasn't really a bomb they dropped but the media had petrayed it as if Nasa dropped a bomb on the moon which seems to have upset lots of people, maybe when Nasa do these things they need to better explain exactly what they are doing so the general public don't think they are firing warheads at our moon, or Nasa is going to have alot of haters worldwide..





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Old 12-10-2009, 10:59 AM
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but the media had petrayed it as if Nasa dropped a bomb on the moon
Not all the media, Stu...just some of the less informed/articulate sources.

I know a certain 'Sunrise' program described it that way...but let's not hang the entire 3rd Estate over something David Koch said

Don't get me started on him!!!!
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Old 12-10-2009, 11:01 AM
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Instead of NASA trying to explain something rather simple to the public, maybe it should be the other way around...the public (and great chunks of the media), generally being a mob of ignoramuses should go back to school and learn their English. In the event that NASA then have to simplify and dumb down the language in order to get a point across, the public will know where they're coming from and realise that what they said in the first place was nothing more than the proper use of the language.
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Old 12-10-2009, 11:02 AM
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Old 12-10-2009, 11:14 AM
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Whats more sensational

NASA bombs the moon .....

NASA allow satellite to crash on the moon to detemine existence of water

say no more
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Old 12-10-2009, 11:18 AM
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Whats more sensational

NASA bombs the moon .....

NASA allow satellite to crash on the moon to determine existence of water

say no more
True, but that's where the irresponsibility of the media, in general, is most apparent. They can't tell the truth (even if they knew what that was) without embellishing it...making it out to be more than it actually is.

That's why you can't trust anything they say.
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Old 12-10-2009, 11:26 AM
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Media need to make money, hence to distortion of the truth enough to get away with it, to get the comunity up in arms. Makes them look good to the un-educated.

It may only need make a complaint to the media to explain they need to tell the real truth or make a complaint to media authority.

Sometime all it takes is a standard proforma letter to fill in the blanks and send it off to the TV Stations, if there responce it unsatisfactory then a complaint is made to the media athority.

TV Stations are charged by the media authority even if the complaint is not valid.

An example is my clients that have continual problems with the media all the time have a carefully scripted website that sends complaints to the media mostly by email by sending a standard form just filling the blanks. It is not designed for general complaints but it is what needed for most people who winge about media but do nothing about. The site if anyone is interested is www.mediaaccess.org.au

While people sit on their backside making complaints that go nowhere the media stretch the truth further and further till it breaks and they fall back a little finding there limitation. They will continually distort the truth while no one complains.

Freedom of the press they call it.
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Old 12-10-2009, 11:27 AM
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Alot of people i have have spoke to are very disgusted that Nasa bombarded the moon, now i know it wasn't really a bomb they dropped but the media had petrayed it as if Nasa dropped a bomb on the moon which seems to have upset lots of people, maybe when Nasa do these things they need to better explain exactly what they are doing so the general public don't think they are firing warheads at our moon, or Nasa is going to have alot of haters worldwide..





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How many is a lot
The objects that hit the Moon could be labeled a projectile, but not a bomb as they did not contain any explosives as far as I am aware.
The terminology used is a mute, and as we astronomers know some of the media are prompted to hyper up something to get attention
That the world will get upset because NASA or any other organization hits the Moon with a Bomb/projectile is a little far fetched
Most people could not give a damn and where just disappointed that there wasn't anything seen
The Moon has lots of junk that has been deliberately slammed into it over the years with little or no comment
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Old 12-10-2009, 11:32 AM
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Hi All,

It became very clear to me.

I was listening to the radio. Announcement: "Watch the moon tonight for the explosion. (???) Will be visible from Brisbane." (Was it going to rise 4 hours early??)

Many people phoned in to complain that NASA has no right to blow up the Moon. (???)

renormalised has much credibility in his statement;
generally being a mob of ignoramuses

I was gobsmacked by the rubbish that was on air. It illustrates just how little many people know about the universe or their surrounds.

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Old 12-10-2009, 11:35 AM
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Just a point, I have not seen one complaint on this matter on this forum until your post.
With over 6000 members I would have expected some more complaints if it was a general public feeling.
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Old 12-10-2009, 11:41 AM
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Just a point, I have not seen one complaint on this matter on this forum until your post.
With over 6000 members I would have expected some more complaints if it was a general public feeling.
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Because the people in this forum are a bit more knowledgeable on these matters.
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Old 12-10-2009, 11:53 AM
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It's all just a "Storm in a tea cup"
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Old 12-10-2009, 12:05 PM
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Are you sure they said NASA bombed the moon. I thought they said NASA nuked the Moon. Oh My God NASA nuked the moon.
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Old 12-10-2009, 01:02 PM
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Come on people....fair go!

It's also a language issue.

Consider the reference to performing a water 'bombing' during a bushfire!

What about when you do a 'bomb' in a swimming pool.

What about a car that's a 'bomb', or something that'll 'cost a bomb'.

Although technically not a bomb, the object which slammed into the moon was an example of 'bombing' the surface....not necessarily with a bomb.

This is all getting a bit anal for me. Some people really need to lighten up a bit
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Old 12-10-2009, 01:28 PM
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Are you sure they said NASA bombed the moon. I thought they said NASA nuked the Moon. Oh My God NASA nuked the moon.
They didn't do anything, they faked it...lol
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Old 12-10-2009, 01:47 PM
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Didn't go far enough. Great place to get rid of all those Nukes. Imagine the fireworks!!!
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I thought this thread would comment on what folk thought of such a move and if it would take us forwared in the hunt for water on the Moon...
But given it is an opportunity to decry the way the media does their business I say this ..the media does what it does which is to treat us like fools and I would say their approach is reasonable given we accept carbon trading will save the planet and is not driven by vested interests and politics who generate fear to push their particlar barrow.

I dont know what follow up NASA have in mind after they analyse the "cloud" but if there is nothing planned by way of a landing to quantify how much water it would seem somewhat a pointless exercise.

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Old 12-10-2009, 03:36 PM
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Hi Stu, Alex and All,

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Alot of people i have have spoke to are very disgusted that Nasa bombarded the moon, now i know it wasn't really a bomb they dropped but the media had petrayed it as if Nasa dropped a bomb on the moon which seems to have upset lots of people, maybe when Nasa do these things they need to better explain exactly what they are doing so the general public don't think they are firing warheads at our moon, or Nasa is going to have alot of haters worldwide..

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The problem wasn't NASA's -- it was the fault of a whole heap of very silly sausages on the interweb thingy who were making all sorts of outrageous claims about what this mission was all about with almost no knowledge of the facts and prepared to make up anything they wanted to get attention and speculate about potential outcomes they wouldn't have a clue about how to actually calculate -- or even approximate.

Rewind to 1999 -- the same thing happened with Comet Lee when there was a huge alleged conspiracy about the Cassini Mission being diverted to intercept the comet and destroy it with it's on-board Plutonium before it could hit Earth.

Or the alien space-ships that were following behind Comet Hale-Bopp ...

Then of course there is the Nibiru thing ...

I did a couple of radio interviews over this LCROSS thing and the extent of the mis-information was astonishing. It wasn't spread by NASA. It wasn't NASA's fault.

Really, could NASA have made it any more plain what this was about and how they hoped to accomplish the mission:

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LC...iew/index.html

I don't think so. No mention at all here about Bomb, Nuke or Weapon. Just a plain and simple explanation. Science was being done.

On the other side of the coin there were web-sites that proclaimed the mission was a "kinetic weapon". Others proclaimed that it contained a large nuclear weapon, that it was going to knock the Moon off it's axis causing it to spiral into the Earth and others that proclaimed NASA was attempting to destroy evidence of an abandoned alien moon-base at it's south pole. People were screaming out that nuclear weapons shouldn't be used on the Moon and that NASA was in breach of some sort of treaty over the use of the Moon. They virtually all had these words in common -- Bomb, Nuke and Weapon.

NASA denied that which was in turn used as evidence that they had something big to cover up -- just like Bart Sibrel silliness that is now in the final stages of being de-bunked by the LRO orbiter's images showing the artefacts from many Apollo missions on the Moon in situ

Do a web-search (as the media will do to try and get some "facts") and they look at the NASA stuff but also all the other stuff -- which always makes good 'copy".

You must remember the true purpose mainstream news-magazines, newspapers, commercial radio stations and commercial television stations exist is to sell advertising space. The price they can sell advertising space for is set by the market having regard to their circulation and ratings.

It sounds strange, but people like reading bad news stories and are more likely to believe a bad news story than a good news one. More sensational stories (copy) = higher circulation/viewer ratings = more advertising and higher rates = increased revenue for stockholders.

Stu I too spoke to quite a few that were "disgusted" at this mission but they were only became disgusted based on the mis-information and baseless hearsay being circulated as fact. Once they knew the real facts things changed. It isn't NASA's fault -- it is the fault of a bunch of silly sausages intent on criminalising everything NASA does and the media who like to sell a story.

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I dont know what follow up NASA have in mind after they analyse the "cloud" but if there is nothing planned by way of a landing to quantify how much water it would seem somewhat a pointless exercise.

alex
Isn't that putting the cart before the horse Alex?

Surely there is no point in sending an extremely expensive mission to quantify the water present, before we know whether there is any water at all in the first place?

Why would they go to all the expense of planning mission like that when there isn't any evidence yet that it's required? This was a very cheap (in context) way to find out whether Di-Hydrogen Monoxide or Hydrogen Monoxide was present.


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OMG... the mrs just bombed the bath
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