Mysterious Happenings

[renormalised (Carl)]

Originally Posted by avandonk

I forgot to say that in many areas I am both blind and ignorant. BUT I do not go around spouting nonsense in areas I know nothing about!

I will leave that to the tabloids.

bert

And in that, I'm am 100% in agreement. So, you grab the guide dog and I'll grab the cane

[bmitchell82 (Brendan)]

Like a trained master craftsman in wood work. hit that nail right on the head bert.! Verification comes from accurate documentation that is reviewed by other people who are "in the know" so to speak! further more recreation of such events by other people, hence most of the "LAW's" of physics that have been proven over and over again. To my knowledge are still being tested and tried to this day. That to me is true science.

[jjjnettie (Jeanette)]

And which is why I won't say that what I thought I saw was actually there. The mind is a wonderful thing, but it can play some very devious tricks.
Psychosomatic pain hurts just as much as the real thing. Ask anyone who has had a limb or digit removed.

[renormalised (Carl)]

Psychosomatic pain hurts just as much as the real thing. Ask anyone who has had a limb or digit removed.

Thankfully it's only temporary...once the brain remaps itself that goes away.

[FredSnerd (Claude)]

Originally Posted by astroron

Some people find mystery's when with a little thought and investigation a simple answer is forth coming.

Yes that's true. And some people find mystery's where there are mystery's and with examination and discussion and exchange of views they ultimately find answers. I believe thats what we are doing.

And of course some people just prefer to wait and see what the experts say and then take it in whole without ever giving things some of their own critical examination. Yep I think your right. We all approach learning differently.

[jjjnettie (Jeanette)]

Originally Posted by renormalised

Thankfully it's only temporary...once the brain remaps itself that goes away.

I don't think that it ever goes away completely. It may not happen as often, nor as severely, but it's still there. And you KNOW that it's not real pain but no amount of rationalising helps.

[FredSnerd (Claude)]

I have to say I agree with you Carl. I think Bert's post had lots of passion but not much sense or logic and plenty of contradictions. Reminded me a little of a cleric from the inquisition that saw everything other then established orthodoxy as heresy

[FredSnerd (Claude)]

Originally Posted by jjjnettie

And which is why I won't say that what I thought I saw was actually there. The mind is a wonderful thing, but it can play some very devious tricks.
Psychosomatic pain hurts just as much as the real thing. Ask anyone who has had a limb or digit removed.

Yes thats what I understood you to be saying Jeanette.

My take on it is that for us to say that "we cant explain it" is not to say that it can't be explained or that "science cant explain it". And to say that science cant explain it is not to say that sicence cant ever explain it but that science cannot yet explain it.

Pretty basic really

[avandonk]

Carl (renormalised) we used to have a saying in CSIRO ' is it not amazing that (insert name here) field has gone ahead in leaps and bounds since he died'. Many say it is his dying that really contributed to his life's work!

When your prostate gland is bigger than your brain you too will be inaugurated to the Australian Academy of science.

Bert

[renormalised (Carl)]

Originally Posted by avandonk

Carl (renormalised) we used to have a saying in CSIRO ' is it not amazing that (insert name here) field has gone ahead in leaps and bounds since he died'. Many say it is his dying that really contributed to his life's work!

When your prostate gland is bigger than your brain you too will be inaugurated to the Australian Academy of science.

Bert

But that's like any field....look at John Lennon. Look at the great composers. Look at Einstein...they have to cark it in order to become legendary!!!

Hell, it even happens to politicians, although I think that's more a case of blind nostalgia and temporary dementia on the part of those doing the remembering than anything else

[Clarry (Clayton)]

Originally Posted by renormalised

they doubt themselves and others when they see something mysterious or unusual, like ghosts, ufo's and aliens etc etc, yet they're perfectly willing to believe in and go along with religion. Swallow it hook, line and sinker. Give yourselves some credit.

That's what annoys me about scientists when they dismiss things like this out of hand or come up with some "logical" explanation. The reason why they don't deal with these things and then ridicule or explain away what people see is not because of some "scientific rigorous" or "methodical" way of studying things. Or because they know what reality consists of. They dismiss what people see and hear because they themselves don't know what's happening and because it lies outside of their accepted views of what constitutes reality. It's intellectual arrogance and fear which makes them do this. .

I agree with you on the religion issue, people do accept this stuff with absolutely no evidence to back it up. When they see things or talk to dead people they're idolised. Think Moses and the burning bush, Joan of Arc talking to saints, Mary Magdalene seeing the resurrected Jesus.

However I can't agree with you on science. I think the very opposite. Science actually goes about attempting to discover the reason that things happen. If it can't be unraveled just yet, then it is said to be unproven and not fact one way or the other. The very open-mindedness of science is what I find attractive over the close minded religious views.

[FredSnerd (Claude)]

Originally Posted by Clarry

. Science actually goes about attempting to discover the reason that things happen. If it can't be unraveled just yet, then it is said to be unproven and not fact one way or the other. The very open-mindedness of science is what I find attractive over the close minded religious views.

Absolutely in my opinion. Gotta love the scientific method

[marki]

Originally Posted by avandonk

Science is not in the business of explaining the sensory hallucinations of humans.

It is a case of the blind and ignorant leading the blind and ignorant. All they really achieve is agreement as to their own ignorance.


The only thing that works is peer reviewed published papers.

The rest at best is anecdotal and at worst completely wrong.


Bert

Someone had to say it and I am glad you did. Well said Bert

Mark

[FredSnerd (Claude)]

Originally Posted by marki

Well said Bert

Mark

Your easily impressed

[marki]

Originally Posted by FredSnerd

Your easily impressed

Sorry Claude but I am a scientist and all this talk about the "dark side" is sheer nonsence. If it's your thing goodo but to me it is complete rubbish. In any case I am not going to get caught up in all this.

Mark

[Lumen Miner (Mitchell)]

I would call myself very sceptical in general, when it comes to the "paranormal".
I do however experience an exceptionally high number, of "un-explained" events.

Here's one

I was sitting in the bedroom one day (24yrs old), when I happened to notice my girl friends mobile phone on the table. I decided to take a picture of my face, all scrunched up horrible looking and make it her wall paper. Just for my own amusement.
As you would know camera phones albeit limited, normally function correctly.
I shot off a quick snap, then went to files to load it as the wall paper. Funny, it wasn't there. Went back to camera mode and shot another photo. Went back to files and it wasn't there. Did this 5 more times, before I realised that they were indeed there.
They were there, but I missed them because they were not pictures of my face but swirls of light with my faces image strewn / cut up through it in a whirlpool effect...

Thinking I had stuffed the GFs camera, I shot a picture of the room, came out fine, shot something else, came out fine. I thought, just a quick camera stuff up, with some very unusual results, so I tried my face again.
To my now "growing" concern, my face came out exactly as the previous frames, blurs, swirls, unrecognisable...

By this stage I'm a lil' freaked out and all like "why the hell can't I take a photo of my own face???"

Half afraid, half wanting someone else to see this, I called my GF into the room and asked her to take a photo of my face (by this stage I just wanted a pic of my face, I was getting a lil' freaked out".

She takes the photo, perfect...
she also gives me a look like i'm going nuts.

I explain the situation to her and out of story telling really, snapped another shot of my face. Wouldn't you know it, not there again!!! Ok now i'm getting really paranoid!! 5 more photos later i'm still not there. I hand the phone to my GF, she takes photos inbetween fine... why can't I photo myself?

I moved my position several times, never once capturing a normal shot of my face, I'm talking 70% of the image was unrecognisable...

I thought, there has got to be something i'm doing. So I had the GF photo me, then I took the phone, exact same position and hit the capture, no dice, still not there...

By this stage the house mates have been called into the room, all three.

They take turns capturing shots of me, then I would have a go with no success.

So that is 4 witnesses and me, all totally convinced something whacked was going on. So much so, that a room mate paid, for the photos to be downloaded off the phone and enlarged..

This all continued for about 1/2 an hour, before I got freaked out and left the room.
Mind you I still haven't been game, since then to try again...



Should I?

[Lumen Miner (Mitchell)]

My parents owned an original homestead in Beecroft, Sydney. One of the first built on Copeland Rd. It's on a battleaxe block, over 100m from the nearest house.

One day I was laying on my bed, talking to my GF on the phone. My parents and friends with young children were over, but were leaving soon.

I spent a good hour or three on the phone, all the noise had died down outside so I had assumed they were well and truley gone.

My GF remember my reaction on the ph, she did not hear what I did though.

As I was laying there I heard a very distinctive young girls voice (I assumed it was the youngest girl amy) say, "When are we going to leave?".
Startled a bit by this, I relayed to my GF my surprise they hadn't left yet.

I jumped up to go see why they hadn't gone. I opened the door to find a pitch black house (as would be expected normally, we don't leave lights on).

Not a sound nor a squeak. Dead silent. No one home. They had gone hours earlier.


That voice was clear as day, young girls "When are we going to leave?"

[renormalised (Carl)]

However I can't agree with you on science. I think the very opposite. Science actually goes about attempting to discover the reason that things happen. If it can't be unraveled just yet, then it is said to be unproven and not fact one way or the other. The very open-mindedness of science is what I find attractive over the close minded religious views.

It's not science which is the problem...it's the people who do it which are the problem. I think if you look at the history of science, or even at what goes on within it, whilst many do have open minds, they only have open minds for things they can grasp or what they believe to be "reasonable". It's not as open or as objective as you may believe or think. People are not logical creatures. Intellectual paradigms, any paradigm for that matter, are hard nuts to crack and people who have invested much of their professional lives and reputations in creating and shaping the way things are done and thought find it very hard to let go. Scientists are no different. What we have to be careful of is that the latest, greatest and innovative of ideas doesn't become the new paradigm. Unfortunately, they have a habit of becoming the new "in" thing by default.

[Jen]

I found this website by accident

[renormalised (Carl)]

Originally Posted by Jen

I found this website by accident

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