Your favourite conspiracy.

[xelasnave]

Conspiracy theorists are generally nut jobs because they think if they form an opinion they need no evidence what so ever...

I suppose that is not entirely the case with say JFK stuff as at least they start with a bullet...something tangible

The conspiracies I find entirely laughable are those that have no evidence and defy all logic if they were some how true...for example that 'big pharma" (the use of such a term heralds a fool is about to speak) have the cure for cancer but they keep it secret because they can profit pushing their phoney drugs.

What rubbish...do these idiots expect you to believe there is no money to be made from a legitimate cancer cure...but they don't think ... they are just happy to believe the latest dribble from their favourite liar web site.

Why is the need for evidence lost on these fools...

So have you heard of a good unsupported conspiracy recently?

Alex

[ChrisD (Chris)]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

for example that 'big pharma" (the use of such a term heralds a fool is about to speak) have the cure for cancer but they keep it secret because they can profit pushing their phoney drugs.
Alex

No, no, Alex, this one is true, Big Foot told me so.

Chris

[JA]

Purdue

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by JA

Purdue

It is real.

https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...or-2022-03-03/

Alex

[JA]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

It is real.

https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...or-2022-03-03/

Alex

Exactly ..... and they're from the Pharma Industry and at some point, many many years well before the lawsuits there would have been little if any available public evidence and yet a conspiracy prevailed.

Best
JA

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by JA

Exactly ..... and they're from the Pharma Industry and at some point, many many years well before the lawsuits there would have been little if any available public evidence and yet a conspiracy prevailed.

Best
JA

I am not sure of the point you are making...do you know what was the original conspiracy? When did it surface and why?

My point is ..until there is evidence it is no more than make believe irrespective of what finally is exposed with evidence...

I have noticed, at the risk of generalising, a conspiracy theorist forms an opinion and holds to that opinion without evidence and speaks about his opinion as thought it were fact ..clearly once there is evidence it moves out of the conspiracy theory to become some sort of allegation with supporting evidence.


alex

[JA]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

I am not sure of the point you are making...do you know what was the original conspiracy? When did it surface and why?

I was countering part of the original premise in your first post.

Without going back to various sources, I recall they were engaged in inflating the benefits and downplaying the disbenefits and illegally promoting with falsified data and some "help" from physicians the benefits of their drugs. It is widely credited as creating a / another drug epidemic through legal and illegal use and sale which killed tens of thousands. Their "story" is well documented in the media, in depositions and in the courts. The story has it roots in the mid 80s ?, possibly earlier.

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JA

[xelasnave]

Thanks JA.
alex

[Outcast (Carlton)]

A few favourites:

1. Flat Earth - despite overwhelming physical evidence, it still persists

2. Moon Landing faked - similar to above but, compounded by the claim that the USA bribed the Russians into not telling anyone with secret trade deals... Yeah, sure... I can see that holding up...

3. My personal favourite strings together a couple of conspiracies centred around the supposed UN goal of one world government:

So, this one claims that under agenda 21 the UN is plotting for a one world government... (this starts to fall over when you actually read any of agenda 21, especially since it is a non-binding concept. However, it really gets hot when two other interesting & similar conspiracies enter the frey... namely that the funding for this supposed agenda is coming from George Soros... a jew... hangon... this is where it gets particularly interesting...

Added to the above, some claim that the UN is seeking to promote / force Islam upon the entire world also as part of it's one world government agenda...

Now.. put this together...

One world government, dominated by the Islamic religion, funded by a Jew...

Let that concept sink in for a minute...

Notwithstanding that there actually is nothing of substance in the idea of a UN driven one world government but, the idea that a Jew would fund the domination of the world by Islam?? WTF??

Anyways, there sure are some crazies out there....

[ChrisD (Chris)]

Conspiracy theories typically propose that the official explanation or mainstream understanding of the event is inaccurate or intentionally misleading, while lacking credible evidence and often relying on speculation, rumors, and mistrust of authoritative sources.

I don't see how this applies to Purdue Pharma. What they did is well known and well researched, isn't it?

Chris

[sharkbite]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

Conspiracy theorists are generally nut jobs because they think if they form an opinion they need no evidence what so ever...


So have you heard of a good unsupported conspiracy recently?

Alex

Just google up "Santos Bonacci"

I don't know if this poor fellow could be in the class of a "Good" conspiracy theorist....he expounds on everything from Flat earth to Sovcit and everything in between.....


I'm also torn about sharing the info - it just gives him airtime.

watching his youtube videos however, is a laugh-riot of pseudo scientific drivel, well worth watching if you like idiots shooting themselves in the foot.

Coupla salient facts about poor 'ole santos...

- He had to abscond Australia due to over $130k in unpaid traffic fines...
- He has about 280k youtube subscribers around the globe (see what i did there)
- youtube comments are switched off on his channel

AND

(one for all the astrophotographers out there)
- he said on one of his videos he would give $10,000 to anyone who could give him a genuine, unaltered, un-faked photo of a spherical earth.
(to which i expect he would always flatly deny the veracity of any such photo)

I have upped the ante and offered him $1M if he can provide the same for a flat earth.( I have not yet recieved a response)

[JA]

Originally Posted by ChrisD

I don't see how this applies to Purdue Pharma. What they did is well known and well researched, isn't it?

Chris

As I said to Alex, I was countering PART of the premise in his original post. Read his post, read mine and you should see some counterpoint.

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JA

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by JA

As I said to Alex, I was countering PART of the premise in his original post. Read his post, read mine and you should see some counterpoint.

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JA

JA I submit that a reply of one word surely can not qualify as a counter point when you offer that single word as the entirety of your arguement and I suggest such brevity can not be overlooked as you leave it to the reader to fit that one word into a context that you have not defined and so perhaps you can be specific and outline a counter point with some meat on the bone such that readers can understand exactly what point you are offering a counter point

It is cloudy here so I have ample time to consider your reply, that is assuming it is cloudy in your location and are similarly well placed to deal with this matter.
alex

[RB (Andrew)]

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[JA]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

JA I submit that a reply of one word surely can not qualify as a counter point ....

That ,my reference to Purdue, was not the counterpoint. Refer My Post number #5 and later #7

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JA

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by JA

That ,my reference to Purdue, was not the counterpoint. Refer My Post number #5 and later #7

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JA

You are far too clever for me JA... thanks for being a good sport.

alex

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by sharkbite

Just google up "Santos Bonacci"

I don't know if this poor fellow could be in the class of a "Good" conspiracy theorist....he expounds on everything from Flat earth to Sovcit and everything in between.....


I'm also torn about sharing the info - it just gives him airtime.

watching his youtube videos however, is a laugh-riot of pseudo scientific drivel, well worth watching if you like idiots shooting themselves in the foot.

Coupla salient facts about poor 'ole santos...

- He had to abscond Australia due to over $130k in unpaid traffic fines...
- He has about 280k youtube subscribers around the globe (see what i did there)
- youtube comments are switched off on his channel

AND

(one for all the astrophotographers out there)
- he said on one of his videos he would give $10,000 to anyone who could give him a genuine, unaltered, un-faked photo of a spherical earth.
(to which i expect he would always flatly deny the veracity of any such photo)

I have upped the ante and offered him $1M if he can provide the same for a flat earth.( I have not yet recieved a response)

I suspect many nut jobs are nut jobs to attract attention ( read money).

I can take a photo of the spherical Earth out my door ..you can't see the curvature but the fact is the photo would be of part of a spherical Earth...

AND then we had poor old "Mad Mike" having fun with his steam powered rocket and funding his hobby and life style pandering to the gullible flat Earth mob...he no more believed in a flat Earth than I do but he recognised a meal ticket in a flash.

Another conspiracy I heard of ages ago....wind farms in the USA were secret bases for China to hide troops...now that is laughable but so many gullible fools believed that story...

About a year ago someone sent me an article stating China would be bankrupt in 28 days..he believed it because he wanted to believe it however it did not happen and reminding this person about it draws no response...a blank look is all you get..hullo are you still awake?....and that's the way it goes they forget about the predictions of doom because that was last month and this month their liar web site has given them a new conspiracy to focus upon...and these folk wallow in fear and anger never realising they are mere sheep being manipulated thru fear, anger and hate..losers...


AND you can usually quickly tell if a stroy is just more rubbish because there is always a lack of evidence...

AND so often these types hate science and have no appreciation of the benefits of the scientific method...evidence etc..

Anyways farmers need sheep.

alex

[The_bluester (Paul)]

The one that always has me rolling my eyes is "Chemtrails"

Easily disproven that they are actually a deliberate distribution of any substance rather than a natural outcome of pressures and temperatures, and just as silly unless you believe in homeopathy where the greater the dilution, the greater the effectiveness or strength. I can't think of much greater dilution than "Spraying" some supposedly mind or body altering substance from an aircraft ten kilometers up in the air.

Yet to the true believers, there is literally nothing you can say or do which will change their position from "But they are chemtrails sheeple"

[oska (John)]

Zombie vaccines. Everyone who took an MRNA vaccine will die, within 12 months, no 18, wait next year sometime.

But don't worry, I had so many of them I'll surely be the first to go, so I'll warn you.

[wavelandscott (Scott)]

I read with interest…too many to list from the USA at the moment.

At the risk of spreading the infection and out of curiosity, has Q Anon attracted much attention in Australia? I hope not